50NL tough spot with KK against LPP

wulfpacker21 · #1 08-19-2007, 08:17 PM

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($53.45)
UTG ($75.30)
UTG+1 ($19.95)
MP1 ($69.55)
MP2 ($16.20)
Hero ($72.70)
Button ($53.85)
SB ($64.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.5, MP2 calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6.75, 2 folds, BB calls $6.25, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($16.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10.

Turn: ($36.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($36.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $17.5, Hero ?

Villian is 36/8.86/.42

and on the flop/turn/river its .57/1.33/4

and hasn't check raised and its a lil over 100 hands

machine · #2 08-19-2007, 08:30 PM

very easy call, but id bet more on flop then river bet is his whole stack pretty much. Get it all in if he has QQ/TT just lose.

bkar824 · #3 08-19-2007, 08:37 PM

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very easy call, but id bet more on flop then river bet is his whole stack pretty much. Get it all in if he has QQ/TT just lose.

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This call isn't THAT easy. Villain doesn't have AQ here? How do you know villain didn't go for the c/r on the turn?

I agree with the you definitely have to bet more on flop and fire on the turn, but the main hand that you were ahead of nailed the turn. Villain is also exceedingly passive!

machine · #4 08-19-2007, 09:07 PM

I would say AQ is also likely here, QJ is even in his range, maybe KQ floating, i just dont think you can lay this down so just find the best way to get it in, which is bet nearer pot on flop and go from there. im interested why you dont think this is AQ floating from a 36 VPP, i think KQ could easily float here as well gut +2 overs he thinks.

flytrap · #5 08-19-2007, 09:11 PM

I think you have to bet the turn. You check behind turns like this against tough, tricky players that may check-raise with a draw, and might bluff the river if you check the turn. This opponent doesn't seem like that type at all. You need to valuetown this guy. Since he doesn't check-raise much, you can be confidant that if he does check-raise the turn, you were beat anyway.

machine · #6 08-19-2007, 09:18 PM

if you bet turn your commited you cannot get away its make your mind up time now.

RyanCMU · #7 08-19-2007, 09:37 PM

AQ is not very likely and in fact I would rule it out. A passive villain called two bets cold oop from the blinds, this should narrow his range down significantly.

Now yes, I know villain sucks, and likely goes goofy [censored], however, we really can't include AQ in his range, consdiering his PF call and his flop call. After he calls the flop we can rule AQ out of his range, AQ has no draws on this flop and no reason to continue, he is much more likely to have a hand like KJs or QJs here then AQ.

His likely range is; 22, 99-QQ, A horribly played AA sometimes (trying to get cute), KJs, TJs, KQs and QJ.

Vs that range, we beat 4 of those hands - JJ, TJs, KQs and QJs.

I also think that TJs-KJs and KQs are on the outside of his range, and he is much more likely to have 22 or 99-QQ here.

I pay off the river, because our turn check could have induced him to fire w/ JJ or QJs or KQs here. However, I wouldn't expect to be good very often, and think a strong argument can be made for folding.

CalledDownLight · #8 08-20-2007, 12:12 AM

I like everything about the hand if you called the river.

wulfpacker21 · #9 08-20-2007, 12:15 AM

thanks guys... i called this guys river.. and he was prob. tyrin 2 check raise me on the turn cause he had QQ

uminchu · #10 08-20-2007, 02:51 AM

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AQ is not very likely and in fact I would rule it out. A passive villain called two bets cold oop from the blinds, this should narrow his range down significantly.

Now yes, I know villain sucks, and likely goes goofy [censored], however, we really can't include AQ in his range, consdiering his PF call and his flop call. After he calls the flop we can rule AQ out of his range, AQ has no draws on this flop and no reason to continue, he is much more likely to have a hand like KJs or QJs here then AQ.

His likely range is; 22, 99-QQ, A horribly played AA sometimes (trying to get cute), KJs, TJs, KQs and QJ.

Vs that range, we beat 4 of those hands - JJ, TJs, KQs and QJs.

I also think that TJs-KJs and KQs are on the outside of his range, and he is much more likely to have 22 or 99-QQ here.

I pay off the river, because our turn check could have induced him to fire w/ JJ or QJs or KQs here. However, I wouldn't expect to be good very often, and think a strong argument can be made for folding.

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i think that ATs must be included in this hand range fwiw