50NL: I called loose and now have no idea what to do

[coordi]

Cold calling [censored] suited connectors like this always puts you in a predicament. either 3 bet or fold. only play this [censored] when your in control. imo.

[Antinome]

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Cold calling [censored] suited connectors like this always puts you in a predicament. either 3 bet or fold. only play this [censored] when your in control. imo.

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This is not a 'predicament', it is a nice, profitable, and easy to play spot.

Come on, when did 2+2 get so nitty that we don't even call sexy little suited one gappers on the button in a multiway pot?

[dazraf69]

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Depends: Do you want to attempt to draw out to the second best flush or would you rather draw out to the second best straight?

Fold.

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[MJBuddy]

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Depends: Do you want to attempt to draw out to the second best flush or would you rather draw out to the second best straight?

Fold.

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You're drawing to two situations with 0 implied odds and horrible pot odds. This is a clear fold, if it wasn't clear.

If you hit the flush and you're not beat, the betting will dry up and you get nothing. If you're beat, you're stacked. If you hit the straight, same principle.

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[0evg0]

preflop is terribly standard

shove over the raise

[Jouster777]

I think folding this is not inconsistent with calling preflop. This is a very specific situation where playing a combo draw is EV- IMO.

Postflop, calling is just plain bad as implied odds are poor and it is very unlikely we get to the turn with 2 others in the pot without MP pushing. Pushing here relies on a substantial FE to pad the EV...I didn't think we had that much FE.

[RunDownHouse]

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Pushing here relies on a substantial FE to pad the EV...I didn't think we had that much FE.

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That's what I originally thought ("relies on a substantial FE"), but now I'm not as sure. If he ever folds something like QhJh, doesn't that make a push much better?

[matrix]

Preflop is fine.

folding here is standard. A push is OK but only if you like razor thin egdes and mucho variance.

if CO calls and doesn't raise I call all day - BUT there are 2 people behind us if we call - so calling here is not an option, push or fold.

given that it's first orbit (you are sitting at tables where you have some idea of how the players play aren't you - not just sitting in cold) and we have no reads I'd lean towards folding. If we have reads that are FE is better than normal - push. If we know they'll BOTH call - push.

If we had pair +fd or flush + nut straight draw then I'd lean towards pushing this.

Tho folding 1gap SC's OTB in a raised multiway pot I think is *horrible*

[0evg0]

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A push is OK but only if you like razor thin egdes and mucho variance.

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i hate comments like this.

the whole point is to make the most profitable decision in every situation.

if you're passing up +EV spots because of their thinness, you're not making a profitable decision by playing whatever stakes you are.

[RunDownHouse]

Plenty of people choose to pass on some amount of EV in order to reduce variance. If you're playing thousands and thousands of hands, its the only way to keep sane for a lot of people. Back in the day, lots of 2+2ers were rolled for sh limit games above 15/30 or 30/60, but chose to stay at the smaller stakes. Less money, less variance, more sanity.