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Old 10-15-2007, 01:18 PM
Seb86 Seb86 is offline
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Default TD hand couple of close call.

PokerStars Game #12641878000: Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/10/15 - 13:03:24 (ET)
Table 'Wilhelmina' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Seb86 ($219 in chips)
Seat 3: dvice1 ($105 in chips)
Seat 4: jcdgoad ($134 in chips)
Seat 5: danx7 ($116 in chips)
Seat 6: benbo ($107 in chips)
benbo: posts small blind $1
Seb86: posts big blind $3
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to Seb86 [3d 2h As 2d 3s]
dvice1: folds
jcdgoad: folds
danx7: raises $3 to $6
benbo: folds
Seb86: calls $3
*** FIRST DRAW ***
Seb86: discards 3 cards [As 2d 3s]
Dealt to Seb86 [3d 2h] [9d 4c 7d]
danx7: discards 2 cards
Seb86: bets $3
danx7: calls $3
*** SECOND DRAW ***
Seb86: stands pat on [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d]
danx7: discards 1 card
Seb86: bets $6
danx7: calls $6
*** THIRD DRAW ***
Seb86: stands pat on [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d]
danx7: discards 1 card
Seb86: checks
danx7: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Seb86: shows [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d] (Lo: 9,7,4,3,2)
danx7: mucks hand
Seb86 collected $30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31 | Rake $1
Seat 2: Seb86 (big blind) showed [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d] and won ($30) with Lo: 9,7,4,3,2
Seat 3: dvice1 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jcdgoad folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 5: danx7 (button) mucked [4d 8s Qc 5s 2s]
Seat 6: benbo (small blind) folded before the Draw

I would like to have your though on this one as I had (what I believe is at least) a decision to make on about each street.

Pre draw is that a must call ? I liked that I had 2233 and not only 23, leaned me to a call.

Obviously I hit very nice but should I keep the 9 ? he drew 2 and didnt raise so I assumed he didnt improved and thus kept. Was it a must kept if he drew 1 or / and raised ?

After second draw its quite straight forward, I break if he raises (maybe I shouldnt ?).

Should I value bet the river ? as I drew 3 and PAT my hand may seem like a T9875 or something (or even a snowball, I just caugh snowballing a few hands ago by another guy). I still dont think its + ev though.

I had no read on vilain.

I would appreciate if anyone would try to answer point by point as I believe this hand includes some "though" decisions (including what do I do if I get raise after the second draw).
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Old 10-15-2007, 02:50 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

please use the converter in the future, its listed in the FAQ.

Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($3/$6) (converter)

SB ($107), Seat 6
Hero ($219), Seat 2
UTG ($105), Seat 3
CO ($134), Seat 4
Button ($116), Seat 5

Button at Seat 5.
SB posts $1. Hero posts $3.

Hand: [3d 2h As 2d 3s]

Round 1: (1.33 SB)

<font color="red">Button raises. </font><font color="green">Hero calls. </font>
Hero discards As 2d 3s. Button takes 2.

Hand: [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d]

Round 2: (4.33 SB)

<font color="red">Hero bets. </font><font color="green">Button calls. </font>
Hero stands pat. Button takes 1.

Hand: [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d]

Round 3: (3.17 BB)

<font color="red">Hero bets. </font><font color="green">Button calls. </font>
Hero stands pat. Button takes 1.

Hand: [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d]

Round 4: (5.17 BB)

Hero checks, Villain checks.

Total pot: (5.17 BB - $31)

Results: (in white)

<font color="white">Total pot $31 | Rake $1

Hero had [3d 2h 9d 4c 7d] and won ($30) with Lo: 9,7,4,3,2
Button had [4d 8s Qc 5s 2s]
</font>

You are a 60% favorite vs the villain' hand range. He is never folding of course, but your still a favorite. I'd be betting the river if you think he would call with 975xx or worse, fold to a raise. This is my standard line, I adjust according to player tendencies of course. I like everything else.
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

Ok, sorry for the hand converter.

Well he would call with a 98xxx, maybe (I dont think so though) even a T8xxx but if it worth all the time where he hit a 96xxx or better ? Also the reason I like to check here is that I may induce a bluff.

What is the standard line if he raises me after the second draw ? I have the nut draw so I dont believe I can consider folding, but should I draw ?
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

Villain would have to be either a retard or a genius to bluff on the river after you check.
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

Well its a 3/6 I see people betting a J in that spot pretty often. I never trully understood if they thought it was a value bet or a bluff though.
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Old 10-15-2007, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

CR after the first draw is standard, donk betting there misses a bet.

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Old 10-15-2007, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

Its close, he was pretty passive obv (he improved to a 8542x and didnt raise) but he had a clue on this game he would have raise and I would have been able to 3bet. That was my initial plan.

Also at this level, people can check if they dont improved (sometimes even when they do improve one card).
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Old 10-15-2007, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

Until people figure out my tendencies i think its better to donk bet/3bet when u 3 draw a monster and check raise when you have a closer spot (like 87642) since your donk bets get raised so often. My default line in your spot would be to c/r draw 1 or bet/call draw 1 (about 50% either way) i dont like keeping this 9, esp the way you played it your just asking for a guy to make some thin bets with rough 8s or better 9s since you look weak and your holding is only a bit stronger than what people usually turn up with in this spot.
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Old 10-15-2007, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

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CR after the first draw is standard, donk betting there misses a bet.

-DeathDonkey

[/ QUOTE ]

and check-raising sometimes misses a bet if the villain hasn't improved (I admit its rare). I prefer the donk bet because it allows you to bet-3-bet since the villain will often raise. On the other side a c/r will often scare opponents from calling the river with a weak hand.

I think its very close, but bet-3-bet is better in a vacuum since the hero started with a 3 card draw.
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: TD hand couple of close call.

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Well its a 3/6 I see people betting a J in that spot pretty often. I never trully understood if they thought it was a value bet or a bluff though.

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There just aren't that many geniuses at 3/6
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