KK against thinking opponent

[the machine]

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value bet or c/c, i'm not folding

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what hands do i get value from, and youre not folding to a raise if we bet?

or did you mean youre not c/fing

[Chicago Twister]

If he folds a hand like KJ (language nits: read a marginal second best hand), then check.

I really really don't understand "I'm not foldiing", please explain

[spivey]

Value bet. He may think you're repping a narrow range by firing this river, and will call down light.

[Shes92]

I think cc is the best option here

Villain didnt raise preflop which with his stats leads me to believe he doesnt have an A or any pair. I think he is most likely calling PF with suited connectors with a J or a 5 (J more likely due to combinations).

With a 5 he may well play it slow even tho theres an FD out there and with a J he might feel pot control is more important option HU than hand protection.

I dont think he has a FD so Im not too worried about the spade on the river as I think a FD folds the turn here.

As a result I think cc is the best option. I definitely dont like a fold but Id hate to bet out and be raised.

Of course he could be varying his play and calling PF with any of the hands I ruled out above including AA [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Edit to say .... hmmm maybe a J doesnt bet out here on the river and of my likely range only a 5 bets out. Damn .... ummmm .... call a bet of 45 or less maybe and fold to bigger.

[the machine]

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Value bet. He may think you're repping a narrow range by firing this river, and will call down light.

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if he thinks i have a narrow range here then why would he call down light?

[AE6]

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Value bet. He may think you're repping a narrow range by firing this river, and will call down light.

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if he thinks i have a narrow range here then why would he call down light?

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he thinks the legit part of your range is small, not your overall range (VBs + bluffs)

[spivey]

Yes, AE6 has it right. BTW, I think:

b/f > c/f >> c/c >> b/c against this opponent

I would never c/c or b/c against a player like this who probably isn't going to turn a made hand into a bluff.

[the machine]

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Yes, AE6 has it right. BTW, I think:

b/f > c/f >> c/c >> b/c against this opponent

I would never c/c or b/c against a player like this who probably isn't going to turn a made hand into a bluff.

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ok thats exactly what i thought, but gratned that that card changed the dynamic of the board a lot i opted to check because i just couldnt figure him for a hand that would pay off if i led. maybe he thinks my bluff range now is wider and might but i dont see why hed call a bet here with QJ/KJ

i checked he bet 62 i folded.

[Golfdish]

Tbh id rather c/r AI than c/c here, simply because he is never betting with a worse hand. So he has either AJ a flush or FH, at least by c/r AI you can occasionally win the pot.

I still like c/f because if you bet i dont think he looks you up with a random J or underpair here.

[the machine]

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Tbh id rather c/r AI than c/c here, simply because he is never betting with a worse hand. So he has either AJ a flush or FH, at least by c/r AI you can occasionally win the pot.

I still like c/f because if you bet i dont think he looks you up with a random J or underpair here.

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if i check he bets he never folds to a c/r. stacks arent deep enough, and even if they were why would i be check raising a hand that beat AJ given the line id taken thus far. cr/ai is getting looked up by AJ+ 100% of the time imo