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Old 10-16-2007, 06:23 AM
Jackal69 Jackal69 is offline
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Default 267 on the button...

in SSII Negreanu puts 267 in the category of 2 card draws that should be played in 'most situations' and folded only in the face of 'too much action, especially when the raises come from tight players'. Assume you are dealt it on the button in a decent 30/60+ lineup, how do you generally proceed in various situations assuming the pot has already been opened?
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:53 AM
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Default Re: 267 on the button...

3 bet all but the tightest guys (hard to find any that qualify 30/60+) or a solid guy UTG.

Liked your video btw.

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Old 10-16-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: 267 on the button...

yeah its a clear 3bet in 90% of the situation.

I am not sure why negreanu doesnt put it in the same category as 237 247 257. Obviously you cant make a wheel but your odds of making a 7 are the same.

Occasionally you will make a 7 and loss but I believe its definately compensate by the time where you make a rough 7 and beat an 8.

The only reason I see is if you make an 87. An 874 or 875 is definitelly more valuably than a 876. But even with it I dont see any reason to play a 267 differently than 237/247/257 or even 234
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: 267 on the button...

Question to those who 3 bet on the button here 100% of the time. How do you play 238-258. Muck it, 3 bet it? Because if you're always 3 betting 237 and always calling 238, doesn't that become really exploitable?

This is something I've gone back and forth on as far as how to play these hands, as it seems many good players are calling here on the button alot with 2x7 to disguise when they call with 2 card 8 draws, and many good players 3 bet bet everything. Lets ignore player tendencies since obviously that's a huge factor and say the opponnent has average opening ranges, not a huge nit but not a moron either.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: 267 on the button...

I just about always call here, no huge benefits to 3 betting but thats not terrible either.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: 267 on the button...

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I just about always call here, no huge benefits to 3 betting but thats not terrible either.

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Isn't getting head-up in position, not letting the big blind draw three, a reasonable benefit?
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:16 PM
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Default Re: 267 on the button...

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I just about always call here, no huge benefits to 3 betting but thats not terrible either.

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Isn't getting head-up in position, not letting the big blind draw three, a reasonable benefit?

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In a perfect world sure, but the blinds will be playing any reasonable 2 card draw regardless of if you call or three bet.. and the few times you fold the BB who was going to play for 2 bets and draw 3, you gotta compensate for bloating the pot with a hand that often becomes trouble (Esp when you catch 8x on first or second draw)
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:28 PM
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I just about always call here, no huge benefits to 3 betting but thats not terrible either.

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Agreed. Generally I'm pretty happy to play 2x7 multiway with position.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:51 PM
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I just about always call here, no huge benefits to 3 betting but thats not terrible either.

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Agreed. Generally I'm pretty happy to play 2x7 multiway with position.

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Agreed, plus like I said, what are you doing with 2x8 on the button. Too good to fold,but how to do you play it well if you're always 3 betting 2x7?
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Old 10-16-2007, 10:50 PM
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Default Re: 267 on the button...

In theory it almost makes more sense to 3 bet your weaker 3 card hands like 238 trying to force HU action and just call with 234 type hands.. I've always felt this way but never practiced it because theres enough added variance the way i play.
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