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Old 06-22-2007, 02:29 AM
flytrap flytrap is offline
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Default NL200: Was this fold too nitty?

Villain is 28.13/4.38, with a flop af of only .78. I HATED folding this, but was it right? On a totally ragged flop I probably call, but I'm really only beating QQ. AA is much more likely. He could also have JJ. With his stats, I thought the 4-bet PF screamed AA and when he pushed the flop I felt even more strongly he had AA. Thoughts?
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $75.20
BB: $134.25
UTG: $515.95
UTG+1: $118.40
MP1: $137.95
Hero (MP2): $245.80
MP3: $160.25
CO: $116.15
BTN: $75.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2.00, MP1 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to $14.00</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $45.00</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to $76.00</font>, Hero calls $31.00

Flop: ($157) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP3 bets all-in for $84.25</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $84.25 returned to MP3

Pot Size: $157.00 ($3 Rake)
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:40 AM
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Default Re: Was this fold too nitty?

Min reraiases are funny, but you probably beat.
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:22 AM
Robin Donks Robin Donks is offline
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Default Re: Was this fold too nitty?

Hero raises to $45.00, MP3 raises to $76.00

Why call 4bet if you're folding flop? Doesn't make sense. Shove or fold here, and having in mind his stats of 4PFR and low aggression min 4bet screams AA, so I don't mind a fold.
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:30 AM
Panthro Panthro is offline
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Default Re: Was this fold too nitty?

I'd fold to the 5-bet PF if you're not snapcalling this.
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:43 AM
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Default Re: Was this fold too nitty?

push/fold pre-flop, but can anybody lay KK for 80BB? 160BB then yes but for 80 id think id shove pre-flop. also how many hands are his stats over?
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: NL200: Was this fold too nitty?

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Hero raises to $45.00, MP3 raises to $76.00,

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To me, this is the point where you need to decide. Does he have aces? If you are 71.2% sure he does then fold. Otherwise, push your KK.

Calling is no good because you are either giving up more money when you have 2 outs (if he has aces) or you are letting him see the flop before he decides to commit more chips (with AK or QQ) and could get away from a hand easier if the flop is bad for him.

Personally, I think he has aces more than 70% of the time so I fold. I think this because he has 4.38 PF Raise % so he doesn't seem like the type to 4 bet with less than aces.
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:51 AM
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Default Re: NL200: Was this fold too nitty?

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Villain is 28.13/4.38, with a flop af of only .78. I HATED folding this, but was it right? On a totally ragged flop I probably call, but I'm really only beating QQ. AA is much more likely. He could also have JJ. With his stats, I thought the 4-bet PF screamed AA and when he pushed the flop I felt even more strongly he had AA. Thoughts?
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $75.20
BB: $134.25
UTG: $515.95
UTG+1: $118.40
MP1: $137.95
Hero (MP2): $245.80
MP3: $160.25
CO: $116.15
BTN: $75.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2.00, MP1 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to $14.00</font>, 5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $45.00</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to $76.00</font>, Hero calls $31.00

Flop: ($157) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP3 bets all-in for $84.25</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $84.25 returned to MP3

Pot Size: $157.00 ($3 Rake)

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rofl. "WHEN HE PUSHED THE FLOP". He couldn't even make a pot sized bet. What did you expect him to do? Check it down? Rofl at this "shove". It's 1/2 pot at best. you're getting almost 3-1 and you're beating QQ and AK.
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:55 AM
SnglMaltScotch SnglMaltScotch is offline
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Default Re: NL200: Was this fold too nitty?

Am I stupid or am I missing something... You just got 5 bet by a &lt;5% pfr... He has AA here like always..

I just call his 3 bet and play poker after the flop.

Since you 4 bet, I fold to the 5 bet.

The way that you played it the flop is standard.

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Old 06-22-2007, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: NL200: Was this fold too nitty?

"Am I stupid or am I missing something... You just got 5 bet by a &lt;5% pfr... He has AA here like always.."

"I just call his 3 bet and play poker after the flop"

you think his 3 bet range is only AA?
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:25 AM
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Default Re: NL200: Was this fold too nitty?

Jesus Christ. Do not call the last preflop raise if you're going to fold this flop.
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