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Old 11-29-2007, 12:56 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

villain is 36/19/1.75 after about 150 hands. No real history or reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($0)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($662.10)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($619.88)</font>
UTG ($378)
MP ($537.42)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $16</font>, SB calls $14, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $75</font>, MP folds, SB calls $59.

Flop: ($166) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $154</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $308</font>, Hero ????
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:04 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

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Hero snap looked up

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Old 11-29-2007, 01:12 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

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Old 11-29-2007, 01:15 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

Fold and bet way less on the flop.
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

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Fold and bet way less on the flop.

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If I'm going to bet way less, why wouldn't I just check?
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

checking this flop is good sometimes, as played id fold with no maniacal postflop reads. I dont c how betting less is the same as checking the flop - when u bet less u expect his calling range to be wider and allow urself to get away from the hand more easily if he shows a lot of strength.
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

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Fold and bet way less on the flop.

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If I'm going to bet way less, why wouldn't I just check?

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The same reason why you bet now? You're committing yourself to the pot. Bet 100, get him to peel with worse (and believe me, a guy like this probably has lots of random stuff that will see a turn).

By betting less, we also entice him to call instead of raising his draw, we don't inflate the pot as much, we get more value out of hands, and we can move away easily from scare cards.

Or you can check. but potting is the worst option if you're not prepared to stick it in now.
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Old 11-29-2007, 03:23 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

aween
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:16 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

How fast he minraised might affect my decision but I think we're [censored] here.. but the pot is so big it's close. I probably fold.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:24 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: Over pair, ugly flop, semi-deep.

What are MPs stats? That will affect the villains range that he sees the flop with.

Against a range of JJ-77 QhQd is a slight dog.

Edit: Not saying I'd call. I'd probably fold as that assumes he's doing that with any of those hands and there are more combinations of 99 and JJ than of all the sets combined so..

Bayesian theory I think it's called?
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