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Old 09-29-2007, 04:00 PM
Jobo Jobo is offline
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Default Which play is the RIGHT play??

Hey there. I'm Jobo. Just switched to 45-man-or-less sit & go's this week because I wanted a change-up from the micro-limit games. I've played 2 45-man tourneys, placed 1st on my first try ever, and 8th (just outta the $). I've played 3 single-table S&G's, 1st in both my first ones, and got bumped out quick this last one. My question comes from this last tourney, cuz now I'm unsure of my facts...

When you have a strong made hand on the flop, one you'd be happy to go all-in with, but there's two to a flush out as well, what is the correct play?

Hand #1 I checked 2,3o from the BB after an early position limp and cut-off limp. I flopped
[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3
I wanted to go all-in here but chose to bet about 1/4 my stack and hope for a brave/overconfidant call. Instead, the EP pushed all-in. Cut-off folded. I called figuring pocket 10's woulda raised pre-flop, and pocket 2's or 3's would be very hard to have with two of each already in play. Am I supposed to fear/respect this shove? Or trust my gut, that I had best hand? Anyways, he showed [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 for the flush draw, and proceeded to hit a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river, verbally patting himself on the back.

In Hand #2 I had 5,5 on the button and limped in following two EP limpers and one cut-off limper. I thought "w00t!" when the flop came
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q
Again, I wanted to bet big or go all-in, but had to wait for the three other players. EP1 was short-stacked and went all-in, EP2 called, the CO re-raised all-in himself, to me... again, my thinking was "EP1 must have a face-card and hit top or middle pair, and chose to gamble with his. Maybe even a flush/straight draw. EP2 and CO... suited connectors? Small pocket-pair? KQo? Otherwise, with stronger cards, they'd raise pre-flop, so NOT KK or QQ." I felt my hand was best at that moment, with good odds to finish the hand strong. So I called.

their flipped cards?
EP1: [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7
EP2: [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J
CO: [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3
Me: [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5

Turn was a blank, [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7, the River... [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2

I felt I was playing again some very weak players according to all the limping, and odd bluffs and weak pocket cards revealed at showdowns durning this tourney. Because of that, their 'range' of hands could be almost anything at any time. I waited for strong cards to play with after the flop, and expected that 2-pair and trips would hold up well against draws like the ones these guys were shoving all-in for. But... I believed that drawing hands with only 2 cards to come were at a disadvantage to the cards I had. Was I, am I wrong? Who of us played these hands correctly?? And so, reversly, if I flop a strong flush draw, should I be pushing all in myself? What happened to "making the draws pay heavily for their next cards" ?
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