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Old 11-13-2007, 11:02 PM
TheFoxNL TheFoxNL is offline
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Default Trying Hubbles...

Poker Stars, NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 5 Players
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BTN: 5,765
SB: 8,455
BB: 11,450
UTG: 21,107
Hero (CO): 9,190

Pre-Flop: (300) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls 200, Observer folds, Hero calls 200, 4 folds, SB calls 100, BB checks

Flop: (800) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets 400</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 1,200</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls 800

Turn: (3,200) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets 2,500</font>, UTG calls 2,500

River: (8,200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets 3,000</font>,



qeustion is
am i getting calls from weaker hands here often enough to make this river bet

btw villian instacalled the turn wich somehow made me put him on Some kind of KJ KT type of hand or some kind of drawing hand but my instincts put him on a weak J or T thats why i betted


just wondering if i should check behind here in the future or that weak hands do call me enough


btw 2100 players left
and read on villian is that he's tight and weak aggressive
usually doesnt see a turn without having something
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:07 PM
yNnOs yNnOs is offline
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Default Re: Trying Hubbles...

Shove the river, you are getting weaker hands to call, and if he'll call 3K, he'll call the rest of your stack (5.3K). 3K makes it look even more like a value bet.
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:06 AM
Hollywade Hollywade is offline
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Default Re: Trying Hubbles...

I'm betting this river most of the time. I would probably shove it all too. If this guy is really checking 66, A10, AJ, or KQ to you on the river, more power to him for being a tricky bastard I guess.

For what it's worth, I can't really think of what he might have here unless it's something like Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: Trying Hubbles...

Umm....fold preflop?
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:49 AM
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Shove the river, you are getting weaker hands to call, and if he'll call 3K, he'll call the rest of your stack (5.3K). 3K makes it look even more like a value bet.

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Agree

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Umm....fold preflop?

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I think Preflop is fine... and I would expect the action to play out this way behind you the vast majority of the time... so your very likely to see a flop in position with alot of weak money in the pot and your hand being a middle connector should play preety well here... not a bad spot if you are expecting the pot to offer you 3-1 like this when the action is completed...
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:03 AM
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Default Re: Trying Hubbles...

I think preflop is fine - we are 45BB deep.

Flop raise is good.

Turn-bet is also good, as there are not many hands that limp preflop, call a raise on the flop and then check that turn.

River is a check-behind for me. You have to ask yourself what hands call a raise on a flop and a big bet on this turn, that doesn't beat you. If he was on a draw he will not call your bet. I think KJ, KT hands are not very likely to call a big bet on the turn, where an ace hits. Maybe KK or QQ, but you are beaten by some sets, a higher 2-pair like AT,AJ,A6 and KQ. So I would be happy to check behind here.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:32 AM
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River is a check-behind for me. You have to ask yourself what hands call a raise on a flop and a big bet on this turn, that doesn't beat you. If he was on a draw he will not call your bet. I think KJ, KT hands are not very likely to call a big bet on the turn, where an ace hits. Maybe KK or QQ, but you are beaten by some sets, a higher 2-pair like AT,AJ,A6 and KQ. So I would be happy to check behind here.

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I think I agree with you levi but my problem I have with this thought process is the 5 of diamonds could not possible have helped anyones hand here... so if you were beat then villian missed a street of value somewhere especially considering he is OOP (depending specifically on what his hand is)... anyways that makes it so I have to value shove this river unless I think villian has some passive tendenicies in which case I would be delighted to check behind because I have defined my hand at this point... The higher 2-Pair hands are preety unlikely because of the way villian played his hand on one street or another... KQ not played for value in a tricky way does fit and is an unfortunate possibility but your getting a value call sometimes from QJ of clubs and KJ of clubs... and most of the time from AX of clubs... all of which make much more sense for him to have here then AT or A6...
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:46 AM
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this is a freeroll right? i'd shove the river instantly and feel v good about it
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:46 AM
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Umm....fold preflop?

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Old 11-14-2007, 08:58 AM
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Default Re: Trying Hubbles...

I don't like the flop raise size. Your implied call makes the pot 1600, so I feel 800 more is too small on that drawy a board.
I shove river. I can't see him just c/c turn, check river with a better hand almost ever. You have the best hand a humongous proportion of the time, so just shove &amp; let him decide what to look you up with.
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