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Old 09-07-2007, 07:41 PM
Bond18 Bond18 is offline
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Default Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

I like to fast play sets/trips a fair bit but in a spot like this i see no reason to blow up my relative position plus if villains have overcards i'm getting zero value. How do you proceed from here to extract max value?

Hero: 4600
UTG+1: 7100
MP2: 3600

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $150</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($500, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $350</font>, MP2 calls, Hero?
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

Need stack sizes.
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

Make it 1k.
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:30 PM
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Default Re: Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

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Need stack sizes.

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If we're deep enough to where we aren't getting our chips in without a raise at some point, I probably raise. If we're relatively shallow I probably just call.
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

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Need stack sizes.

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Ask and you shall receive.
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

900-1000
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

The pair of 5s on board is a serious problem, since you were in the SB and 2 people were already in, if you raise into 2 people, it's going to look like a 5 trying to protect against a FD. You might get called by a FD, but overpairs are likely to run scared.

I think you have to call here, check the turn, and hope someone for some reason starts throwing chips around. For example, if UTG+1 has an overpair and bets big to try to protect it.

Then again, there was this thread on P5's where tons of ranked players said they would call a shove (which was at least 10x the pot) in the first hand on a JJ5 board with QQ. Shove might actually be the way to go. People can always talk themselves into calling a massive overbet, they'll put you on some sort of combo flush draw.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:34 PM
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Call flop, lead turn and river for like 2/3 pot. This maxes our value vs. a FD both when it hits and misses. Hope he raises a safe turn card with an OP.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: Flopped monster, line for maximum extraction?

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Call flop, lead turn and river for like 2/3 pot. This maxes our value vs. a FD both when it hits and misses. Hope he raises a safe turn card with an OP.

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love this line. might even suggest being a real donk and leading turn for 1/2 pot and then deciding how much to donk on river.
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:19 PM
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Then again, there was this thread on P5's where tons of ranked players said they would call a shove (which was at least 10x the pot) in the first hand on a JJ5 board with QQ.

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Ranked pocket fivers..

[ ] Can beat 2-4+
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