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#11
11-20-2007, 06:42 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
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[ QUOTE ] Raise at least 4 on the flop. I also re-raise CO's raise of the turn and try to get it all in there. Call the river. [/ QUOTE ] Bet four? It was checked to me. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, that's what I meant. You call because he does this with QK or QJ or another 2 pair. Or maybe because it's 100 bb's, and he could be donking around with anything. You call because it's 50 NL and you have bottom set. You call because you have good odds. Mostly, you call because you are ahead most of the time. Doubt he puts you on a set anyway, given your flat turn call. 
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#12
11-20-2007, 06:46 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
Because a set isnt the only hand he can have here. You dont learn to practice hand reading by putting villain on one hand, you do it by putting him on a range of hands. Two pair makes up a good chunk of his range just like sets and you have odds to call as played. With that said, Im still betting flop bigger and content to get it in on the turn. Set over set happens so rarely that you honestly cant play scared like that.
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#14
11-20-2007, 06:48 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
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Im not upset. I just really think I could have folded there. Isn't poker about going with your read? my chat http://www.pokerhand.org/?1721619 I mean I put him on set. So why should I call? [/ QUOTE ] Sometimes going with a real good read is fine. That being said, a lot of players will show up with JQ here too. The fact of the matter is the guy overbet the river with like the 6th nuts. If he's willing to open push the 6th nuts... would he do the same with the 7th, 8th or 10th best hand? Sometimes you call knowing you LIKELY lost but will win enough times that you have to call. I think a set is a hand that you have to call for less then 100bb quite often unless you have bottom set on this board: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] a set of 10s here isn't worth much....
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#15
11-20-2007, 06:49 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
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Im not upset. I just really think I could have folded there. Isn't poker about going with your read? my chat http://www.pokerhand.org/?1721619 I mean I put him on set. So why should I call? [/ QUOTE ] Seriously.. why should you call? If there's anything that makes my blood boil it's people who will type their "read" in chat before they make a big call. One time I had a set and made a big river bet after the turn checked through and had to listen to some guy babble about "I think you flopped a set on me" and let his time bank go down and wound up calling anyway, then I'm supposed to laud him for a great read. Yeah GREAT READ except you payed me off anyway. If you're so sure you're beat then FOLD. It's that simple.
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#16
11-20-2007, 06:49 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
Two pair or a very overplayed AQ. Both of which you will see often enough especially since it seems like villain is fairly active with those stats.
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#18
11-20-2007, 06:50 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
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Im not upset. I just really think I could have folded there. Isn't poker about going with your read? my chat http://www.pokerhand.org/?1721619 I mean I put him on set. So why should I call? [/ QUOTE ] Nobody forces you to call here. So if you feel you should fold here, do it. But if you start doing it here, you are probably folding waaaaayyyy too much in other spots. Do you fold KK if a guy has folded 10 times in a row and raises for the first time? Of course not (I hope). Although he may have AA he could have lots of other hands. You are way ahead of his range and want to build a pot. That doesn't mean you won't lose sometimes.
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#19
11-20-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
The thing is this doesnt happen often enough for you to consider folding sets. If you can consistently narrow his range two only 2 other possible hands your a much better hand reader than the majority of players.
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#20
11-20-2007, 06:54 PM
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Re: Am I allowed to fold a set on a dry board at 50 nl? PLEAAASE
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To be fair I typed it and called instantly [/ QUOTE ] Your memory is probably very asymmetric when it comes down to remembering these things. When you fear a higher set and he has it you will remember it and say "I thought so". On the other hand you forget the 25 other times when you have think the same and he doesn't have it.
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