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#11
10-28-2007, 12:55 PM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? [/ QUOTE ] No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] Either way the decision should be the same : "He started the hand with this many chips on the table, that is what will play." The time to object to an irregularity is when it occurs, not at some future point. Even if your hand doesn't matter you are shooting an angle by not saying anything at the time (because it is to your advantage to not upset the player), but bringing it up in the future. 
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#12
10-28-2007, 06:02 PM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
I find it better to say something to the dealer when it occurs. Something like, "Hey, are we letting people take chips off the table now?" This gets the job done.
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10-28-2007, 07:55 PM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
I wouldn't say something to someone who was a fish. Otherwise I'd find the most tactful way to bring it up.
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#14
10-28-2007, 08:24 PM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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I guess I'll take a different view and say it DOES matter ... even in Limit. I used to play in a place that allowed you take anything more than $500 off the table in a 10-20 limit game. Lots of donks would build up a stack and then keep cashing out everything over $500. Then, whenever they lost that $500, they left, ensuring themselves of a win of $XX. OTOH, in casinos where it isn't allowed, I've seen players with >2k or 3k in front of them (10-20 limit) donk off the entire amount before leaving the table with nothing. If they were allowed to rathole, I'm sure they would have, and left with a profit (or lessened our profit .... depending on your POV). --Headhunter [/ QUOTE ] ^^ While this is all true, it makes no sense. It's not your money even if the guy is a fish. From an EV standpoint it's like saying that it's rude for a losing player to buy a pizza before they sit down, as if they didn't, you could win the extra $12.
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10-28-2007, 10:41 PM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? [/ QUOTE ] No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] Either way the decision should be the same : "He started the hand with this many chips on the table, that is what will play." The time to object to an irregularity is when it occurs, not at some future point. Even if your hand doesn't matter you are shooting an angle by not saying anything at the time (because it is to your advantage to not upset the player), but bringing it up in the future. [/ QUOTE ] Im also a baseball umpire. I would use the same point of view as I do with an appeal on a play. If it isnt brought up at the time it happens, (eg. before the next hand) then you have lost all rights to said appeal. It should be brought to the dealer, if not the floorman's, attention as soon as it happens so it can be rectified.
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#16
10-28-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont't say anything in a limit game, until the persons tries to get all in. Happened to me one time. Ex pro football players wins about $12,000 in a 60-120 limit game. He starts having his brother cash out chips for him. I dont say anything because I don't want the guy leaving the game. And he still has plenty of chips on the table. He has about $3000 in chips on the table and manages to piss back about $2700. He has $300 on the table and raises. I 3 bet with jacks. He calls. He bets the flop and I stop the game and tell the dealer to the call the floor. Guy knows he is caught and pulls out $500. I tell the dealer to cancel calling the floor. He calls me down and leaves the game. The guy comes in quite often and donks off a few thousand each trip. I try not to piss off people who pay my bills. [/ QUOTE ] So you wait until you are in a hand and then try to get money that isn't on the table in play when you have the best hand but are happy to let him get all-in if you don't want to get the money in? [/ QUOTE ] No. I wait until the guy tries to go all in and then make an issue out of it. My hand doesn't matter. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree about when to bring it up here. Fortunately this is a limit game but the floor sometimes gets things wrong and may bust him down to the minimum buy-in if this was a NL game and there was any dispute about how much exactly he was staked to have on the table. But IMO it is better to bring it up beforhand. Once in a while people do this and they are not aware of the rules that it has to stay on the table. But as you said this guy knew everybody so he must be aware of the rule that he has got to keep it all on the table and can't take it off. Just call the floor over and get him to put the checks back on the table but don't be rude about him just tell him very matter of factly. This guy has to know that he can't take table stakes off the table and play with less. Otherwise he has to get up. You shouldn't have to wait until he is all-in to bring this up (although I know why you are) but you just never know what the floor is going to say.
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#19
10-29-2007, 12:45 AM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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Why does anyone in this thread think it's ok to go south for any amount? The floor should be alerted the moment you you see someone take chips off the table. [/ QUOTE ] Agree.
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#20
10-29-2007, 12:47 AM
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Re: What to do when a player goes south?
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Why does anyone in this thread think it's ok to go south for any amount? The floor should be alerted the moment you you see someone take chips off the table. [/ QUOTE ] Dealer first. Then the Floor if dealer does not do his job.
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