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Old 11-13-2007, 11:38 PM
Scary_Tiger Scary_Tiger is offline
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Default Re: Yuck.....Still Undecided

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Who's the guy who's all green? All the white guys look alike.

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Ron Paul
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: Yuck.....Still Undecided

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... I'm leaning towards Romney although I'm worried about his mormanism causing some Repubs to stay at home

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My guess is Romney will lower turnout in very red evangelical Christian states from Nebraska to North Dakota along with most states in the South but the remaining voters won't vote for Hillary or Obama anyway. So these electoral votes go to Romney anyway.

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I have to say that I am completely unimpressed with the Republican lineup in general, but if you hold my feet to the fire I'd probably vote Romney. I vote by mail since I am in the military and my home of record is in Florida. Actually, given how close Florida has been the last few elections, I guess I will have to vote.

Amusing sidenote: I'm still a registered Democrat in Florida! [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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How in the world does a person go from registering as a Democrat to "Eh i guess ill vote for Romney"?

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People change?

Quick history: Mostly raised by my mother, a liberal sort. Bought into the whole liberal worldview. Went to the Naval Academy and had a very conservative roommate. We debate, he gradually wins me over. For a while I didnt progress much beyond the typical talking head rhetoric. Finally I started trying to really decide what I believed. Found some serious works on conservative theory. I now consider myself a conservative in the Burkean sense (read pretty much anything by Russell Kirk to get a sense of my worldview). Unfortunately, very few Republicans fit this mold, but they are a far sight closer than just about any Democrat.

And during all this, I never bothered to change my party affiliation. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: Romney Moving Ahead in South Carolina Too?

Thx for the rigged mainstream media poll update. This means Pauls' real numbers are probably around 15%.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:46 AM
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Default Re: Romney Moving Ahead in South Carolina Too?

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Thx for the rigged mainstream media poll update. This means Pauls' real numbers are probably around 15%.

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Since Paul has no hope, I suppose his supporters might as well keep on being delusional. At least it will give you a little joy.

The first poll showing Romney catching up in South Carolina have been matched by later polls.

Romney seems to be making progress into the upper teens in Florida. However, Giuliani's lead is still well into the double-digits there.

Romney's double-digit lead over Giuliani in New Hampshire and over Huckabee in Iowa seem to be holding.
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:44 AM
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Default Re: Romney Moving Ahead in South Carolina Too?

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Thx for the rigged mainstream media poll update. This means Pauls' real numbers are probably around 15%.

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Since Paul has no hope, I suppose his supporters might as well keep on being delusional. At least it will give you a little joy.

The first poll showing Romney catching up in South Carolina have been matched by later polls.

Romney seems to be making progress into the upper teens in Florida. However, Giuliani's lead is still well into the double-digits there.

Romney's double-digit lead over Giuliani in New Hampshire and over Huckabee in Iowa seem to be holding.

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Dude, read the questions of the polls. They're all surveys of "likely republican voters." RPs supporters are not likely republican voters. They're independents, libertarians, and people who've never voted before. These polls are designed to only survey the "base" of each major party.

The anti-Paul haters such as yourself are the only delusional ones.
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:00 AM
Scary_Tiger Scary_Tiger is offline
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Default Re: Romney Moving Ahead in South Carolina Too?

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Thx for the rigged mainstream media poll update. This means Pauls' real numbers are probably around 15%.

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Since Paul has no hope, I suppose his supporters might as well keep on being delusional. At least it will give you a little joy.

The first poll showing Romney catching up in South Carolina have been matched by later polls.

Romney seems to be making progress into the upper teens in Florida. However, Giuliani's lead is still well into the double-digits there.

Romney's double-digit lead over Giuliani in New Hampshire and over Huckabee in Iowa seem to be holding.

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Dude, read the questions of the polls. They're all surveys of "likely republican voters." RPs supporters are not likely republican voters. They're independents, libertarians, and people who've never voted before. These polls are designed to only survey the "base" of each major party.

The anti-Paul haters such as yourself are the only delusional ones.

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I don't think Paul's support is under measured by polling techniques. I do think his support is more likely to vote. Not in a Lew Rockwell, 5% will win everything kind of way, but if Giuliani is polling at 24% and Paul is polling at 16%, Paul is going to win pretty much every time.
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Old 11-14-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: Romney Moving Ahead in South Carolina Too?

But later on in the primaries several of the candidates that have underpreformed in the first primaries are likely to withdraw from the process, and then Romney and Guiliani (who I assume will be in the race to the very end) will probably get the support of those who would have voted for Thompson, McCain, Tancredo and Hunter, while Ron Paul probably will not win over many of them.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:54 AM
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but if Giuliani is polling at 24% and Paul is polling at 16%, Paul is going to win pretty much every time.

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Polling is hardly ever quite this bad, especially in a Presidential election or primary where tens of millions of dollars are poured into polling. Maybe in a local school board election, mayoral race, or some other small local election, you'll see pollsters completely miss the mark, but if a reputable pollster with a standard moe says Guiliani is polling at 24% and Paul is polling at 16%, I'd happily give 50 to 1 on a "Paul will win" bet. "Paul will win every time" in that scenario is beyond laughable.
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:40 PM
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Dynasty,

Just skimmed your last 200 posts and didn't find much on politics. Are you planning any big prediction posts or are you going to wimp out and quit with the legacy of a perfect electoral prediction post from 2004?

~ Rick
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:21 PM
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Green means Borodog likes, Red means Borodog hates.

Anyways, here is some stuff out of Romney's campaign:

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Romney calls for all Americans to have (health care) coverage without a government mandate, placing the responsibility on the individual.

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Oh, this is fine. Read on:

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He would mandate insurance for individuals and employers, set minimum coverage requirements, subsidize coverage for low-income Americans and levy fines for noncompliance.

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WTF?!? This is in one paragraph! *head asplode*

Romney on Energy:

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Romney proposes investment in alternative energy, especially biodiesel, ethanol and nuclear power, incentives for oil companies to build and modernize refinieries and increased drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and environmentally sensitive areas of the outer continental shelf.

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Sounds like a winner to me...
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