ESPN's new show E:60 (2 thumbs down!)

MyTurn2Raise · #1 10-17-2007, 04:29 PM

really highlights why ESPN is so clueless and why sports coverage lacks any depth

I cannot believe this show is on the air
it highlights how little the ESPN reporters know about sports

sporting events forum >>>>> ESPN reporters
and I don't hold a very high opinion of this forum

you can find some videos up on the net
if you know anything about sports, it will make you vomit to hear the conversations

TalkingDonkey · #2 10-17-2007, 04:31 PM

ESPN is really just following the path "real" news set like 20 years ago

nobody cares about substance, it's all entertainment because that's what's good for the bottom line

Franchise 60 · #3 10-17-2007, 04:36 PM

Brutal show. How staged were the "behind the scenes" stuff in B&W? ESPN needs to realize that people don't give a [censored] about Jeremy Schaap talking to a producer.

UATrewqaz · #4 10-17-2007, 04:46 PM

I hate pretty much every single thing on ESPN other than the sporting events they broadcast and even in those I hate their announcers and the stupid crap they interject into the game.

Remember the Arkansas/Alabama game a few weeks back where they kept having some US Women's Soccer player randomly appear ont he phone talking up the Women's world cup? Ugh.

Then the next week the UGA/Bama game Mike Patrick makes a fool out of himself on the game's final dramatic play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZUB3eJOTos

Pretty much every single person I meet or talk to about ESPN feels the same way about it.

I have to wonder why ESPN hasn't felt some sort of backlash in the ratings about this yet. Clearly they would change if they felt it would bring in more people?

Who are these people who are like "Dude, 'Who's More Now' is on! Awesome".... scary

My biggest problem with ESPN is all the fluff and bullcrap they do. Do we need fuzzy lighted, piano themed sob feel good stories about some 3rd string kicker on some podunk team in North Dakota?

There is no f'ing reason ESPN should find a way to bring up Hurricane Katrina every 15 minutes, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH SPORTS. All those sports journalists try to make themselves feel so important by connecting sports to bigger, more important world events. ITS JUST A BUNCH OF GUYS RUNNING AROUND THROWING/CATCHING/KICKING BALLS, give us the scores, give us the injury updates.

We want substance, not you're stupid opinion or hype of everything.

ESPN is all flash and hype. EVERY clip is the most amazing clip, EVERY dunk is the "most insane in your face dunk ever!!!!111", EVERY player has a nickname, EVERY game this week is going to be the "Biggest game of [insert whatever you want here]"

52 reasons why ESPN sucks
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/?p=1406

MyTurn2Raise · #5 10-17-2007, 04:55 PM

first 'story' I saw on the show

first of all, there are huge reporting issues right now--
64% is not a verified record of Dr. Bob
he was 57% going into 2006

he had a losing year in 2006--Vegas wasn't hemoraging money
what is the scale and numbers to show Vegas was having an awful week

explain how big a one to three point movement is...easy to use stats to show how a typical person getting one point better than the line will win at sports betting

Bob is also getting crushed in 2007...come on...his 64% is total phooey...shouldn't a journalist check on that

also, 64% is higher than a .350 career--64% over a long run would be at least a .450 hitter

how is Bob's stats/regression analysis/misc any different than what thousands of other punters do? He needs to be shown as doing something different than the scores of other 'pro' pickers

what proof is there, other than Fezzik's musings, that there are over $5M being bet on Dr. Bob's picks?--is this journalism or not
FYI-Fezzik is a successful pro gambler on sports--he has some connections around Vegas, but how would he know this number?

lack of exploring the alternative path---maybe it wasn't Bob's clients making too much money, perhaps the sportsbooks were just shading v idiot bettors like they always do--myth of balanced action

Dr.Bob has consecutive losing seasons going IIRC---where is the reporting?

I mean...2 years ago I ran 75% or something
the long haul has still only been 51% publicly posted

if you watch the 'pitch' session for Rachel's idea, she has a much better original presentation than the actual story showed

How do ESPN's reporters not know the basics regarding sports gambling and stat analysis in picking winners?

How do they not realize the basics of line setting in Vegas?
Do they not realize the stat and number crunchers that Vegas hires are damn good and how they incorporate watching the game?

How does the story not follow up on Dr. Bob's verification of his record and why he doesn't bet the games himself (he's answered that in the USA today)?

LOL @ ESPN reporters not realizing how big a role gambling plays in sports

also, while Schapp life-tilted me (some people do win at sports betting), his complaints about enocuraging gambling has some merit. However, Nichols didn't follow up enough on how it is near impossible to follow Dr. Bob anymore and win. The lines move way too fast. The only way to win is to take the opposite side after the silly followers of Bob push the line way too far.

MyTurn2Raise · #6 10-17-2007, 04:57 PM

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I hate pretty much every single thing on ESPN other than the sporting events they broadcast and even in those I hate their announcers and the stupid crap they interject into the game.

Remember the Arkansas/Alabama game a few weeks back where they kept having some US Women's Soccer player randomly appear ont he phone talking up the Women's world cup? Ugh.

Then the next week the UGA/Bama game Mike Patrick makes a fool out of himself on the game's final dramatic play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZUB3eJOTos

Pretty much every single person I meet or talk to about ESPN feels the same way about it.

I have to wonder why ESPN hasn't felt some sort of backlash in the ratings about this yet. Clearly they would change if they felt it would bring in more people?

Who are these people who are like "Dude, 'Who's More Now' is on! Awesome".... scary

My biggest problem with ESPN is all the fluff and bullcrap they do. Do we need fuzzy lighted, piano themed sob feel good stories about some 3rd string kicker on some podunk team in North Dakota?

There is no f'ing reason ESPN should find a way to bring up Hurricane Katrina every 15 minutes, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH SPORTS. All those sports journalists try to make themselves feel so important by connecting sports to bigger, more important world events. ITS JUST A BUNCH OF GUYS RUNNING AROUND THROWING/CATCHING/KICKING BALLS, give us the scores, give us the injury updates.

We want substance, not you're stupid opinion or hype of everything.

ESPN is all flash and hype. EVERY clip is the most amazing clip, EVERY dunk is the "most insane in your face dunk ever!!!!111", EVERY player has a nickname, EVERY game this week is going to be the "Biggest game of [insert whatever you want here]"

52 reasons why ESPN sucks
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/?p=1406

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I went nuts watching the Illinois-Iowa game this past weekend
the coverage was about everything but the game

instead of deep analysis of plays and strategy, it was previews of other shows, side stories, and crap

sylar · #7 10-17-2007, 05:13 PM

i was 2 tabling and E60 came on. i didn't care for a single story, except Dr Bob which had its own problems. but my biggest problem with the show was the Bill Simmons segment.

WHO THE F CARES WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE IN A VIDEO GAME?

it's like years ago Stuart Scott went to an NFL practice. at least that had a funny ending, Scott getting hit in the face with a football.

ESPN is [censored]

MyTurn2Raise · #8 10-17-2007, 05:22 PM

in the upcoming weeks, I expect the absolute poker scandal to hit E:60

PITTM · #9 10-17-2007, 05:32 PM

I watched it for like 2 seconds and then died inside. I am really glad ive started to like soccer so much, because ESPN is like unwatchable.

TMTTR · #10 10-17-2007, 05:41 PM

I guess I only saw the story towards the end about the guy who played North Carolina mascot that got hit by a car just before the NCAA last march and all the people that were helped by him being an organ donor.

Touching story, but what does this have to do with sports? Should have been on a Dateline NBC or 20/20...

I guess I am glad I missed the rest.