TT vs. WhoooooohKid

[Eagles]

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Well I'm only 21bb deep meself [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Oops I still call pf... TT + 3.5:1 etc..

[Bakes]

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Well I'm only 21bb deep meself [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Oops I still call pf... TT + 3.5:1 etc..

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[baltostar]

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call

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Agreed, before you do, type in, "According to Baltostar, I'm risking 500, not 300, by making this call", and you'll probably put him on tilt.

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Forced bets don't involve a player decision. So here the only useful implied odds given calc is 4290/300 = 14.5:1.

With villain's M and UTG raise I'd figure the implied odds required at about 7.5:1 * 3:2 = 11.25:1

So it's a good call for set value alone.

[djk123]

don't understand why we wanna call. just shove.

[DJ Pattiecake]

baltostar, of the times a ten doesnt hit, when are you folding?

[DJ Pattiecake]

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Good point, but if we're gonna c/r on raggy flops and hope he will laydown AQ+, then isn't it better to push PF?

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But you give yourself a shot to win the pot with the worst hand maximizing the pot when you make the move.

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i'm sorry but when will you EVER win this pot with the worst hand?

[Ship Ship McGipp]

i don' tknow numbers but i;'d flat real easy i think both shoving and folding are terrible

[baltostar]

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baltostar, of the times a ten doesnt hit, when are you folding?

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Tough question. I don't really know.

AKQ AKJ KQJ, you're probably behind but have 6 outs. You could semi-bluff I guess, but you can't check b/c it plays into his c-bet and you have no idea where you're at. QJ9 J98 987 you can shove obviously.

If 3 diamonds/clubs, you're probably ahead but you can't check, you have to bet, and if villain calls it's a rerun on the turn. Probably EV- to continue playing.

Other Axx KQx KJx QJx you're kinda dust.

The rest of the flops I think you're ok to get it allin, even AAx KKx QQx JJx

[DJ Pattiecake]

you definately dont have 6 outs if you shove w/ a gutshot to broadway and get called

also i think our range is very narrow once we flat bakes which could make this hand even harder to play when compounded with our position. if this is the 100r you have to play it, but in a 100fo is folding and waiting for a better spot totally unreasonable?

also, baltostar, the minus sign goes in front of EV

[g-p]

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If we're calling for set value, I think it's a -EV play because his stack isn't big enough.

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lol?