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12-19-2006, 01:27 PM
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Fun Hand Analysis Contest--Win Free $250
***Whoever wins, I will Neteller transfer the aforementioned prize money by tomorrow afternoon.
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game 6 Players LegoPoker Hand Converter <font color="black">Stack Sizes</font> CO: $66.35 BTN: $100.45 SB: $163.55 BB: $33.45 Hero (UTG): $110.85 MP: $99.60 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1.5, 6 players) <font color="red">Hero raises to $43</font>, MP folds, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises all in to $100.45</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $57.45 <font color="black">Flop:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($202.4, 2 players) No action <font color="black">Turn:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] ($202.4, 2 players) No action <font color="black">River:</font> 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($202.4, 2 players) No action <font color="black">Results:</font> BTN had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) Hero had 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and won $199.40 Final Pot: $199.40 ($3.00 rake) The contest objective is to answer these 6 questions correctly: 1. Explain my preflop RAISE action correctly-why I did what I did. 2. Explain my preflop CALL action correctly-why I did what I did. 3. Does my preflop RAISE play lose or win money in the long run? 4. Does my preflop CALL play lose or win money in the long run (not given what he actually had)? 5. Explain specifically my preflop INSTA-call. 6. *Bonus Question: Being results-oriented (given that he had AhQh), do I actually win or lose money in the long run by making the call, and how much do I win or lose? *The bonus question does NOT have to be answered, or it can be answered in a broad estimate, but if multiple people get the first 5 correct, the person who answers question 6 the best will win. **One post attempt by any given poster, and only with one scenario (however I have the power to grant any poster an additional attempt via, "try again"). **If I coach you or otherwise have discussed this hand with you, you are DQ'ed from the contest. **You must be a SSNL player/poster, no NL 600 regs+ allowed [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. **Contest ends midnight tonight! Comments to set up the hand: *I am playing NL 100 to coach someone. I normally play 3/6 NL, 5/10 NL, and HU NL games. *In HU NL games, and in games where I feel I have an edge, I sometimes do "crazy" things to help my table image. This does NOT mean in any way that I did anything in this hand to that effect, at all...I'm just stating this for information about who I am and how villains possibly perceive me. *My image at this table is tag or very slight lag, around 23/17, and I've been decently active (by far the most active preflop raiser at the table), but I've not been running well at all, and my image is probably pretty bad-I don't think people respect me that I have great hands, just b/c I've not been able to show down winners. The table has seen me lose a lot of medium pots where I've had to fold, and one re-raised pot where I lost my whole stack (I had AQ and villain flopped aces up). *The rest of the table is pretty typically Full Tilt NL 100...some tight/passive, others loose/passive, maybe 1 tag in there, or 1 lag. Pretty standard table. *Villain in this hand has been here for 60 of my 150 hands. His stats after 61 hands are approx. 26/10. *When it was villain's turn to act, he thought for about 45% of his time before pushing. *When it came back around to me, I insta-called, literally not using 1 full second of my clock. *I like CTS. Lastly, there is some information in this thread that is possibly misleading, but most simply leading. Use your own discretion; everything I wrote is true. Good luck! Edited: I needed to fix my "postflop" talk to "preflop call of his all in". 
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#2
12-19-2006, 01:34 PM
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Re: Fun Hand Analysis Contest--Win Free $250
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1. Explain my preflop action correctly-why I did what I did. 2. Explain my postflop action correctly-why I did what I did. 3. Does my preflop play lose or win money in the long run? 4. Does my postflop play lose or win money in the long run (not given what he actually had)? 5. Explain specifically my postflop INSTA-call. 6. *Bonus Question: Being results-oriented (given that he had AhQh), do I actually win or lose money in the long run by making the call postflop, and how much do I win or lose? [/ QUOTE ] WTF!???!?? There is no postflop dude, check your converter.
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#5
12-19-2006, 01:38 PM
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Re: Fun Hand Analysis Contest--Win Free $250
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43BB PFR with A8s: standard. Ship the $250. [/ QUOTE ] [censored] I lose. UUUGhhghhghhhh. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I think you deserve a $50 side-pot for wit there, nh lol [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#7
12-19-2006, 01:39 PM
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Re: Fun Hand Analysis Contest--Win Free $250
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[ QUOTE ] 1. Explain my preflop action correctly-why I did what I did. 2. Explain my postflop action correctly-why I did what I did. 3. Does my preflop play lose or win money in the long run? 4. Does my postflop play lose or win money in the long run (not given what he actually had)? 5. Explain specifically my postflop INSTA-call. 6. *Bonus Question: Being results-oriented (given that he had AhQh), do I actually win or lose money in the long run by making the call postflop, and how much do I win or lose? [/ QUOTE ] WTF!???!?? There is no postflop dude, check your converter. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's been fixed. By "postflop", I was talking about the preflop call on my part.
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#9
12-19-2006, 01:42 PM
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Re: Fun Hand Analysis Contest--Win Free $250
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are you [censored] serious ? I almost died laughing as it is .. donīt tell me the converter didnīt screw up lol [/ QUOTE ] No; the converter is 100% correct.
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#10
12-19-2006, 02:21 PM
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Re: Fun Hand Analysis Contest--Win Free $250
Ok, Im giving this a shot.
1. Preflop, you likely wanted to establish or cement the idea that you were a bad player making wild plays who was possibly now on tilt, setting opponents up for later when you may be able to make a similar overbet with a big hand and win a huge pot when u were way ahead equity wise. You raised to $43 because this pot stuck you to being given near correct odds to call any all in raise unless you can put the villan on a bigger suited ace or AA. (I use cardplayer.com's Holdem odds calculator way too much). 2. Ur preflop call was made due was the fact that the pot was laying you near a good price (like between 6-9% off equity wise depending on villands hand) added to the expected money you can expect to see in the future by villans calling big bets of yours, you were selling to the rest of the table that ur huge overbets were full of crap to the table, so you could get paid off in future hands. U had to call $53 to win $147, which means ur only getting slightly less than the price that would make the call alone break even EV wise. 3. I believe that in the long run, the raise is a slightly winning play, assuming that at an average NL100 table you can expect to get no action on this $42 raise unless you run into AA-JJ, (given ur table image) and occasionally big aces, and when you do run into these hands you have about 30-32% equity against (except AA or couse). You stand to steal the blinds enough times, and win enough in future big bets being paid off for the few times you run into AA or a big suited ace to be negligible, making this to be profitable in the long run. 4. In the long run, the fact that villan took a long time to raise lead you to believe the pot was laying you near the right price to call (he obv. didnt have AA), coupled with the fact that you stood to have future overbets paid off. Overall, the call alone does not make money itself, but the table image and future overbets you might stand to win assuming players are sticking around makes it profitable when all this is taken into account. 5. First off, the insta-call helped cement the crazy image you were trying to portray. Also, any pause from the villan making this raise led you to believe you were getting a close enough price to call, all things considered. 6. Given that you ran into another bigger suited ace, the second worst hand to run into after AA, which you could have never predicted from his long pause, this might push you into the realm of losing money, because you are now no longer getting very close to the right price to make the call just based on the odds the pot is laying you and will need to make up more money in future overbets being paid off. So this could make calling a losing money option, being results oriented. $250 is worth a shot even if what i wrote is garbage [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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