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Old 08-25-2006, 07:09 PM
tipperdog tipperdog is offline
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Default Passive passive AK TP+Draw. But bad?

FT 1/2. Villain has $140, I have $250. Villain has played few hands in 20 mins. since I sat down.

Folded to Villain in MP who raises to $6. Folded to me OTB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I flat call and BB calls.

Flop comes A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], giving me TP + Nut-flush draw. Villain bets $12 into $20 pot. I call. My thought is that I could be way ahead (vs. hand like AJ or JJ) and want to encourage continued betting. Less likely, but I could be behind AA, QQ or made flush. Don't want to get reraised off this hand. I'm really hoping MP has hand like JxJ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and a 4th heart hits.

Turn is K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain bets $20 into $45 pot. Again, I flat call. Turn pushes me ahead of AQ (a resonable holding), but doesn't change much else.

River is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP bets $30 into $85 pot. I call.

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Old 08-25-2006, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: Passive passive AK TP+Draw. But bad?

Very very passive. Put a raise somewhere, pf, flop, turn river....
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Passive passive AK TP+Draw. But bad?

Don't you have to raise the flop?

Figure out where you are, draw to the nuts WITH top pair.

Don't you have to raise the turn?

You have top two with the nut flush draw. Even if he has a made flush you have 7 hearts + 4 to boat. Also, he wouldn't be betting < half the pot with a low flush (basically if he has anything lower then J/X of hearts.

Don't you have to raise for value on the river?

He played SO weak (less than half pot bets) the whole way, is there any holding he has that beats you?
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:19 PM
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Default Re: Passive passive AK TP+Draw. But bad?

this is gross.

3bet preflop, raise the flop
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: Passive passive AK TP+Draw. But bad?

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Don't you have to raise for value on the river?

He played SO weak (less than half pot bets) the whole way, is there any holding he has that beats you?

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Question back to you: is there any worse holding he has that will call a river raise?

(Flop and turn I think I could/should have played differently).
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Old 08-25-2006, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: Passive passive AK TP+Draw. But bad?

AQ, AXh, KQ, JJ. QxJ-7h,

I guess I'm too willing to risk my stack on this board.

Maybe a leak in my game?
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Old 08-25-2006, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: Passive passive AK TP+Draw. But bad?

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AQ, AXh, KQ, JJ. QxJ-7h,

I guess I'm too willing to risk my stack on this board.

Maybe a leak in my game?

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AQ I'll give you. But if you'd call a river raise of any size with JJ on an AKQ22 board with 3 hearts, it's a definite leak.

As for my flop and turn play, I am willing to risk my stack here (before the river, when I still have outs to the nuts). However, my sense was that I could maximize equity by playing it a passively and hoping for a card that would give my opponent a hand he'd get stacked with. This could certainly be wrong, but it is what I was thinking.
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