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10-19-2007, 06:38 AM
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220$ NLTRN move in or normal bet river?
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Hero (t1075) BB (t1925) Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, BB calls t60. Flop: (t180) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t90</font>, BB calls t90. Turn: (t360) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. River: (t360) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, BB calls t180. Final Pot: t720 This is an interesting hand. Obviously my play is not a problem here. But I was wondering if I could play it differently. If villain didn't think a long time for checking the river (in which case, there is possibility he sucked out and hit a queen), we probably split here. So I was thinking if an all in move (significant overbet) would work to try to push him off a hand that we split with? The downside is that we don't get value out of suspicious villain who calls with a jack here because he doesn't believe a bet check bet line. However, the possibility that he calls my normal river bet with a jack is small, because he probably thinks that I am value betting a king and I might suckout with a queen (both hands I would play the same way). But people still don't believe bet check bet line. What do you think? 
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#2
10-19-2007, 08:02 AM
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Re: 220$ NLTRN move in or normal bet river?
can you be realy sure that vilian will have nearly never a Q here bcause of a timingtell?
btw: what speaks for/against a turn cb? i can't really say much about a riverpush if you good a timingtell on this speacial villian a push might be good if he isn't a callingstation... the pot would is 40% of you intire remaining stack so it would really be a big advatage not splitting against Kx
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#3
10-19-2007, 08:13 AM
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Re: 220$ NLTRN move in or normal bet river?
"what speaks for/against a turn cb?"
You mean delayed c bet or double barrell? I didn't mean just timing tell, but it also isn't likely that he has a queen because there are two queens on board already. I was also thinking if it is worth the risk that he has two queens and I go broke. Another problem is that the board is scary and some villains would check queen here. But not this one. I am pretty sure he would at least think about betting a queen here and he would bet it 90%.
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