5/10nl live skill level is to _______ online

[LAgambol]

where are all of the 200NL players crushing the live 10-20 games? does this mean that an internet 5-10 player would crush 50-100 NL live. all of us fish at the casino would love to play with you all when you become 21. i think you vastly underestimate the skills of live players and the effect that deep stack poker has (compared to 100-200 BB online).

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where are all of the 200NL players crushing the live 10-20 games? does this mean that an internet 5-10 player would crush 50-100 NL live. all of us fish at the casino would love to play with you all when you become 21. i think you vastly underestimate the skills of live players and the effect that deep stack poker has (compared to 100-200 BB online).

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say word.

[DeMaci]

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where are all of the 200NL players crushing the live 10-20 games? does this mean that an internet 5-10 player would crush 50-100 NL live. all of us fish at the casino would love to play with you all when you become 21. i think you vastly underestimate the skills of live players and the effect that deep stack poker has (compared to 100-200 BB online).

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QFT, Excellent.

[MrMore]

Here's the thing: online poker isn't real poker. It's like miniature golf compared to real golf: it has skills, but not the full range of skills. Which means all these guys talking about how good they are at mini-golf, when they have to play the whole game, get spanked. They especially embarrass themselves when they say they've played more hands of poker/rounds of golf than Doyle Brunson/Tiger Woods.

People play looser live because games are slower, because they aren't 10-tabling, so waiting for good cards is harder, sure, but also because everyone else is playing looser in real games, so playing loose yourself makes more sense, and, most importantly, because you have the ability to read your opponents. I know many online players suffer the delusion that they can read their opponents (some roulette players think they can tell which numbers are coming up), but what you can do online pales in comparison to the real thing.

Online poker is for anti-social or socially graceless stay-at-home geeks for whom a hand job from an average looking girl is a life-highlight. These are guys who think everyone smells bad and dresses poorly and is boring and weird (and all the other comments online players make about why they don't want to be around other humans). Don't be one of them. The map is not the territory; porn isn't sex; your monitor is not the world.

[Sykes]

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Here's the thing: online poker isn't real poker. It's like miniature golf compared to real golf: it has skills, but not the full range of skills. Which means all these guys talking about how good they are at mini-golf, when they have to play the whole game, get spanked. They especially embarrass themselves when they say they've played more hands of poker/rounds of golf than Doyle Brunson/Tiger Woods.

People play looser live because games are slower, because they aren't 10-tabling, so waiting for good cards is harder, sure, but also because everyone else is playing looser in real games, so playing loose yourself makes more sense, and, most importantly, because you have the ability to read your opponents. I know many online players suffer the delusion that they can read their opponents (some roulette players think they can tell which numbers are coming up), but what you can do online pales in comparison to the real thing.

Online poker is for anti-social or socially graceless stay-at-home geeks for whom a hand job from an average looking girl is a life-highlight. These are guys who think everyone smells bad and dresses poorly and is boring and weird (and all the other comments online players make about why they don't want to be around other humans). Don't be one of them. The map is not the territory; porn isn't sex; your monitor is not the world.

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god you're a [censored] moron.

just kill yourself right now. I don't care how you do it.

[ScoobyDooo]

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Here's the thing: online poker isn't real poker. It's like miniature golf compared to real golf: it has skills, but not the full range of skills. Which means all these guys talking about how good they are at mini-golf, when they have to play the whole game, get spanked. They especially embarrass themselves when they say they've played more hands of poker/rounds of golf than Doyle Brunson/Tiger Woods.

People play looser live because games are slower, because they aren't 10-tabling, so waiting for good cards is harder, sure, but also because everyone else is playing looser in real games, so playing loose yourself makes more sense, and, most importantly, because you have the ability to read your opponents. I know many online players suffer the delusion that they can read their opponents (some roulette players think they can tell which numbers are coming up), but what you can do online pales in comparison to the real thing.

Online poker is for anti-social or socially graceless stay-at-home geeks for whom a hand job from an average looking girl is a life-highlight. These are guys who think everyone smells bad and dresses poorly and is boring and weird (and all the other comments online players make about why they don't want to be around other humans). Don't be one of them. The map is not the territory; porn isn't sex; your monitor is not the world.

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god you're a [censored] moron.

just kill yourself right now. I don't care how you do it.

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yeah this is right actually. i think a lot of the better pros prefer to play online because its more convenient and they can achieve a much higher hourly rate which means they dont have put in quite as many hours at the table which means their overall quality of life can be much higher.

not sure though... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[ScoobyDooo]

this thread really wasnt intended to make fun of live poker at all. It was just an honest question...everyone knows the quality of play is much higher online, i was just looking for some input on exactly how great this difference is

[Jack_Burton]

I know at least 1/2 dozen winning MSNLers who beat 2/4 thru 10/20NL online at over 4ptb/100 that can't beat 5/10NL live or 10/20NL live for that matter so...

everyone's one sided rigid worldview that X stakes online = Y stakes live needs to realize its not that simple.

I personally think that 5/10NL falls somewhere around 2/4NL online. Depending on table dynamics, tilting, stacks the play could be as weak as 1/2NL online or as good as 3/6NL online.

I would say however that live players are not nearly as tricky (floats, squeezes, etc...) as online players and while some might be laggy pre-flop and on the flop, they also seem to play in a fashion where hand reading is very simple in nature when it comes to later streets.

[Percula]

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this thread really wasnt intended to make fun of live poker at all. It was just an honest question...everyone knows the quality of play is much higher online, i was just looking for some input on exactly how great this difference is

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Interesting exchange between a couple of pro's in the 5/10 game at the Wynn this weekend.

Older pro (even though he says he only plays 'for fun'): I stopped playing online.

Young pro: Why?

Older Pro: Because they are too good at this level and above.

Younger Pro (and others chime in too): Got to agree with you there.

[FireStorm]

Have to agree with the guy who said that online poker is for the anti-social. In all honesty, I doubt many of the multitabling nits on this site who makes livings on Stars would have an idea what to do with an attractive girl if she came with an instruction manual. I wouldn't reduce my life to sitting in my house 50 hours a week clicking a mouse, regardless of the money involved. Man has a point. I do however disagree with him about it being "real" poker. It's very real and does in fact have skilled players.

To those using the 10x rule, don't be idiots. If this were even remotely true, more of you online players would get up from the $11/hour gigs you have at the Party 1/2 NL tables and try out crushing a live 5/10 game as you claim is so easy to do.