polishing off the cannon

[terp]

villain is 37/7 but only 23% WSD, so he's playing fairly fit or fold. notice that my betting might be on the smaller side as a percentage of the pot, but will succeed in getting us all-in by the river (if i wish) and has the effect of stack pressure.

a few questions:

1) is turn bet spew? i'm obviously valuebetting any heart, ace, or jack on the river. i MAY bluff a club.

2) do you check or shove river? in addition A/J/[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] are there any other rivers we might bluff? on this river, describe your thought process for checking or betting. i think it's fairly interesting...

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $148
CO: $197
Hero (BTN): $199.65
SB: $98
BB: $569.25
UTG: $300.50

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $11</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $9, MP folds

Flop: ($27) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18</font>, UTG calls $18

Turn: ($63) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $44</font>, UTG calls $44

River: ($151) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks,

[spivey]

I like checking behind, because many underpairs are straights or sets at this point, and we beat a lot of draws.

[BobbyLight]

$135 if you are betting turn.

Turn is a good bet I think. If I had clubs I might check it (the nut draw) to bring under flushes along or straight draws along that are drawing versus the clubs. Here if we raise we are likely drawing to nine outs anyway so it's not a really big deal if we are pushed out on the turn.

As far as the river he either has a (weak ten to A10) or a draw...if you fire close to pot I honestly can't see how he can call with any of those. The turn puts two flush draws and draw heaven for middling connectors...he has to raise two pair a set, you would think, as he probably isn't completely braindead.

I mean there are no scare cards that hit but your hand looks like it can beat a weak ten and if he's

[Al_Money]

I give up on the river. I like the flop and turn bets vs. this guy though.

River just isn't a great card, we have showdown value vs. missed clubs unless he paired up. I think he might fold Tx since the board got a little scary, but I wouldn't count on it. I don't think shoving the river is terrible necessarily, but I do think there are better spots then this to 3 barrel vs. a villain like this.

[SootedPower]

I feel like I get called here by any pair because my hand is an "obvious" club draw to a donk. And if he has a draw, I'm probably best. I like checking because we actually have some SD value against his draws.

What are you looking to push him off? A combo draw? A T?

[carnivalhobo]

arrr in this is the kinda guy who folds a T here cause hes scared of a 6.

[BobbyLight]

How does our hand just look like a club draw? how does it not look like JJ-AA, sets, maybe even A10 being pretty sick good.

Do work,

Rob

[SootedPower]

I'm kidding about the club draw, kind of. Donks see what they want to see.

"Well, he prolly has my top pair beat but he could have a club draw. And he prolly would be scared of the straight if he had AA. I cawl....LOLZ I KNEW IT!!! U BLUFFER!!!"

I'm not criticizing terp, more just curious as to what he thinks we need to worry about folding out on this river that calls the turn?

[Speedlimits]

yah check this turn. I like a double barrel on any J/Q/K/A though.

[carrotsnake]

I mean, vaginas check this river, men do not, so are you goofy or are you flamez