VPIP hand ranges

[ImpulseKid]

This mite be in the wrong section and im sure its been covered before but...

What range of hands would a VPIP of 30 be raising on the button? And also in the CO?

[AllIn3High]

Play w/ that in pokerstove.

[sebbb]

use his att to steal to get an approx % of hands he raises from the button/CO

[kaby]

ofc he is way more likely to raise 22 or 87s than he is to raise K5s [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

that being said, playing around in pokerstove is the way to go, just add hands until you get to 30% [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,54 s,A8o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo,T9o,98o,87o

this is exactly 30% and seems pretty reasonable

[ImpulseKid]

Ok thanks just downloaded pokerstove but over 20k hands my VPIP is around 7% lower according to poker tracker than what pokerstove says it would be??

[XHitman014]

I play like 24/20 and I can assure you that range is wayyy to narrow for my button...VPIP is not what you should be looking at.

[ImpulseKid]

What is?

[XHitman014]

Well good players UTG range is way different than their button range...roughly like 2x the UTG...and that's taking into consideration the times someone opens up in early position and you have to fold. The Attempt to Steal is going to be way wider than tha VPIP...I think a 30% VPIP guy will opening up at least 40% from the button/CO if he's even slightly postionally aware.

[llleisure]

Sort of related - would you think a 60+/20ish has a range that is altered much by position for PFR? I say probably not - the 20ish PFR is 20ish pretty consistently from any posistion unless proven otherwise. Bad assumption?

[Ranma4703]

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Sort of related - would you think a 60+/20ish has a range that is altered much by position for PFR? I say probably not - the 20ish PFR is 20ish pretty consistently from any posistion unless proven otherwise. Bad assumption?

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Really opponent dependent, but most of the time no they don't know that position exists.