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Old 11-07-2006, 07:05 PM
chimpanzepoopdic chimpanzepoopdic is offline
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I have come to know a very experienced dealer in my local card room. Like many of the other dealers he regularly sits in as a prop to keep games going. Unlike the others though he is very good. This guy can often read players hands like they are face up. He plays in mostly 10/20 and below and hops around from table to table alot. He usually buys in pretty short (around 10 to 15 big bets). Once he doubles through he will find some excuse to change tables. Then when he buys in at the next table, he will pocket the profit and starts over. He is very entertaining and friendly at the table. He often softplays when he is way out in front and is never critical of very poor players. Many times he will turn his hand over to show a big hand and tell some one to "save your bet". No one else seems to mind that he is fleecing the whole room. I'm sure this hit and run strategy is out of necessity. It keeps the games from losing to many players and helps to hide his winnings. I'm sure with his skill if he sat at one table to long it would draw to much attention. He's a nice guy but I find pretty anoying to watch $ leave my table and go in his pocket.

Does anyone have any experience with hit and runners? Have any of you used this strategy yourselves? Is there a time and place that you should hit and run?

I guess I have been guilty of this once in a extremely loose and aggressive short handed 10/20 game. I was up $300 when the game became LAG. I nursed my $300 profit, seeing flops with these drunks until I caught a few hands. I cashed out shortly there after useing two more racks to carry my chips to the cage than I had bought in with. In my defense I had already played 10 hours before the table became maniacal.
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Old 11-07-2006, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: HIT AND RUN SPECIALIST

I'm sure he's not that good.
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Old 11-07-2006, 07:25 PM
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I've seen players do this quite a bit. Ususally they are weak/bad and think it helps as a way to "limit the down side." I've seen these same players make 3 or 4 short-buys and then leave to another table after having "bad luck."

I think your prop/dealer is different though. Seems that he does not want to kill a table by being seen as good/chip leader. It may scare-off some players be seeing him with a large stack.
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:21 PM
chimpanzepoopdic chimpanzepoopdic is offline
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He has senoirtity over the rest of the dealers yet he perfers to play and only deal during breaks for the rest of the dealers. This guy has a charisma about him that few player have. People enjoy losing to him. Let me rephrase that they enjoy the time they spend with him while losing. I am not claiming that he is the greatest player ever, however his strategies seem to work very well for him. I've clocked many hours playing at his table or at least in his vicinity, and he is a very solid winner. That said is his strategy one that is worth considering.
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:48 PM
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He usually buys in pretty short (around 10 to 15 big bets). Once he doubles through he will find some excuse to change tables. Then when he buys in at the next table, he will pocket the profit and starts over. .... He often softplays when he is way out in front ... Many times he will turn his hand over to show a big hand and tell some one to "save your bet"..

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These are all strategies to fail. I don't care how good a hand reader he is, he's killing himself by playing short, and giving up bets when he's ahead. He's actively trying to win the least amount when he has a big hand.

And you have no idea whether he's a winning player. You'd have to play with him for long periods and track his every session to know for sure. Since he jumps from table to table, clearly you don't. He's just been lucky at your tables and you assume he's good.
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:57 PM
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He usually buys in pretty short (around 10 to 15 big bets).

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These are all strategies to fail. I don't care how good a hand reader he is, he's killing himself by playing short,

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You think he should buy in 30BB? Why?
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Old 11-08-2006, 12:56 AM
chimpanzepoopdic chimpanzepoopdic is offline
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Im not saying that he buys in short and dwindles away his stack. He will replenish his short stack as needed, keeping the 10 to 15 big bets in front of him (enough to play the next hand). I supose to keep his stack as low as possible and avoid unwanted attention. Another thing Ive noticed about this guy is how he can manipulate the betting. I don't know if it is his posture, voice tone, the words he speaks or all of the above. He seems to get the calls that he wants or the respect he wants at will. Have you ever met someone in your life that was simply put, "a born leader"? That's him.

Anyway my question is more about table and card room hopping. Does anyone do this profitably? I've always heard not to leave the table as long as it is still good. Good for who though? One thing I've noticed is that when someone who is playing solid gets on a good rush, other opponents often try to play better against that person, therefore they get less action. I've seen it many times. A guy will double up. The table will somewhat shut down on him. Then he will lose much of it back. By leaving when up and starting over The seafood buffet is always fresh.
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:03 AM
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I'm not really clear how buying in for 10-15BB in a live limit game is "short". In the games I play in I buy in for 2 racks just so that it will look like I'm winning even if I'm breaking even, everyone else usually buys in for a rack which is 12.5 bets, I wouldn't call that short. It's enough to cap every street, and plenty to realistically play a few pots without being all in.
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Old 11-08-2006, 01:57 AM
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Why don't you just ask this guy out, it's obvious that you want to bone him.
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Old 11-08-2006, 12:46 PM
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You think he should buy in 30BB? Why?

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Not for 30BB, but buying in for $200 in a 10-20 game seems foolish, doesn't it? Unless he rebuys after every losing hand. Let's say he loses one hand, and drops to $120. The next hand he makes the nuts against two raising maniacs, he runs out of money on the turn. Those rare times you have a big hand you want to get paid the max.

The other idea that a player can succeed leaving a table just when he's gotten a read on the players there is problematic in my mind as well.
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