Cheating at AP, updated cliff notes

[SGspecial]

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I would include the fact that AP looked into the matter, including the tournament that we now have the complete hand history for, and then released a statement saying that they found no evidence of cheating.

Either they are:

1. Dumber than my eight year old.
2. Assisting in the cover-up.

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History is littered with criminals who came up with ingenious ways to cheat or steal, and then came up with the most brain dead mistakes to get caught. There is simply no reason to believe this affair is any different. As for the excel file containing evidence against Scott Tom specifically, you have to ask yourself was this simply another AP support blunder, an "I, robot" style breadcrumb sent by an employee with a conscience, or a "Sherlock Holmes" style red herring.

[Jehaim]

Nine.com............................

They said i had no $ balance, i had to send them screeenshots of my account to prove I had..

[Dids]

Dan,

That's a nice solution for the people who lost money, but I don't think it's going to work.

I can't see how there's not an outcome for that doesn't involve AP somehow "suffering" (for lack of a better word) for lying to the public for a month. I don't really see anything beyond a full admission that they [censored] up/got screwed as being a viable resolution.

The cat is jsut way too far out the bag for them to go back and blaim this all on chip dumbing. Doing that just fuels the "omg online poker is rigged" crowd.

[aaronbeen]

Dan Druff I fail to see how this proposed solution gets AP out of trouble. A few weeks ago it might have worked to blackmail them and get the money back but at this point the information is already out there. Another announcement "blah blah chip dumping blah blah we gave ikestoys back his money" won't make people like Levitt any less interested in the story. It won't stop AP employees from leaking as long as somone wants to hear what really happened. Mass media coverage is coming regardless of whether resitution is made. I love the idea of the victims getting repaid but I think AP is going to be forced into a confession at this point.

[yellowbluebus]

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10/17 update:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green


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Cliff notes on how this was determined?

[MicroBob]

Further to my idea that this could be aired on TV all over the country and still not be that big a deal:

There was a TV story a few months back about the guy that wrote the book Dirty Poker.
Segment 1 was cheating at live-poker...and segment 2 the next day was about internet-poker and it was ridiculously bad.

It showed him playing on Party Poker and talking about how all the sites have bots and props and rigged games and how all these people can see all your hole-cards and you really don't have a chance to win. This was a normal news-story just interviewing the so-called "expert" that ran on several stations across the country.

I saw it on the news in Memphis.
They had a big lead-up to "Cheating at Internet-Poker" and then brought in the "expert" to say that some people had the special programs that could see everyone else's cards.

Nobody paid attention to the story that aired on several different stations across the country because nobody cared.

You guys didn't pay attention to it, did you? Nobody got paranoid that this story was going to be the end of online-poker as we know it.

Sure, it certainly helped to feed the perception that many idiots have that online-poker is always rigged against the leigitimate players and that hurts the game in the long-run.
But one story about cheating just isn't that big a deal and many of the stations and viewers can't even distinguish between what is real and what isn't in the first place.

Final point - we've had a lot of stories of cheating players and dealers, etc in live casinos too and it doesn't seem to have hurt their business very much either.

[SL__72]

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10/17 update:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green


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Cliff notes on how this was determined?

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Adanthar was apparently told that by a source within AP.

[adanthar]

^ding (note that this does NOT mean AJ Green was *playing* it at the time)

[deleteduser]

ldo he invented a pokersite of course he is going to be a great player, your all nutzz.

[nsj]

A few thoughts from a regular lurker who doesn't think certain issues are being adequately addressed:

1) Obv. huge thanks to Dan. Nat, Adanthar, Josem, and everyone else committed to getting this story into the mainstream press, and getting AP to answer for this breach. In the long run, I think this can be a big coup for online poker, and the catalyst for its regulation.

2) re: the whole issue around the Superuser account. I'm the furthest thing from a network/programming whiz, but in my mind it makes perfect sense for all online poker sites to have some sort of superuser accounts for testing. I always assumed that accounts like this existed, when I gave any thought to how poker clients ran. I also assumed that they were in some way disabled to prevent them from actually participating in real money games.

The larger issue isn't that superuser account(s) existed. I think it's apparent and logical that they do. I'm concerned about how many 363s are out there at each site, and what sites like Stars and FTP have done to ensure that these breaches do not take place on their sites. In fact, in the aftermath of this, I think it would be in the best interest of all major online sites to issue a release explaining how they use their superuser accounts for testing, and how they protect them from being exploited for real money gain by rogue programmers / hackers / company insiders and executive management.

If AP just chipdumps $700k to the highstakes players, postures publicly about their remorse, and remarkets themselves, there is no reason to believe that 362, 364, and 365 aren't going to show up at your highstakes table next month or year.