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Old 11-13-2007, 05:06 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default QQ overpair low-drawy flop

Villan is 25/13

Easy shove?

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($101.35)
Button ($148.05)
SB ($129.10)
BB ($97.50)
UTG ($253.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $41.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $96.35 (All-In)</font>
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

easy shove imo, you beat a lot of hands
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:11 PM
Suigin406 Suigin406 is offline
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

fine, it could be a lower pair or maybe a flush draw enough for this to be good
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

kinda sucks because this flop hits a huge part of his range after limp/calling utg

but i think you cant get away from it..
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:13 PM
dukemagic dukemagic is offline
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

i play it the same, yeah. he might have a set or straight, but also in his range would be fd, sd, fd+overs, fd+sd, bluff, 66+ (although 88/99/etc would probably just call)...
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:25 PM
Cc08 Cc08 is offline
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

Standard shove for me... he could have plenty of draws and lower pocket pairs.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:34 PM
RockRattler RockRattler is offline
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

not easy shove but I think it's the best you can do.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

Yep i think so.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

let me start off by saying i generally HATE posts that say "look i soved it, you must fold, or oohh oohh, must call!!!", but im doing this jsut to give an idea of villains range and what youre most likely looking at.

also, dont you have a better read than "25/13"?
anway, shoving is standard i guess, but vs lots of players its really not that great. his raise sizing makes me think he has set much more often than a combo draw, but youre not in great shape either way.

i think this is a fairly accurate range for villain, and again i think he raises his sets/2prs/strts with a much higher frequency than his combo draws, but theres not really a good way to weight rangs with pokerstove.


Board: 5d 4d 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.712% 35.14% 01.57% 16699 746.50 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 63.288% 61.72% 01.57% 29328 746.50 { 77-22, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad3d, A2s, 76s, 65s, 53s+, 43s }


and villain is obv never folding, so dont even consider that
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: QQ overpair low-drawy flop

also if you were deeper id be perfectly fine just folding the flop
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