Winrates in live MSNL Games

[ACJames]

I am looking to see what everyone's thoughts are on what is considered good to excellent winrates for the MSNL live player.

This includes your average juicy club games, weak tight casino games, and everything in between. Of course the games are played on weekday nights and weekends to include the weakest competition. Stakes are your typical
2-5, 5-5, 5-10 games with 500 to 1500 max.

I see that 10K hands is usually a good starting point for results?

Getting 33 hands an hour on average. Including rake, time, tips etc...

I would consider:

A+ : 27BB/100 or 9BB/hr
Excellent: 20BB/100 or 6.7BB/hr
Good: 15BB/100 or 5BB/hr
OK: 10BB/100 or 3.33BB/hr

How accurate does anyone feel this is overall?

[FBP]

Hmm pretty hard to get these kind of reply. Since people with enough experience are rare, and those who take precise notes of each of their session are rarer.

But, for what it's worth, I think your winrate are way too high for long term.
As bad as live players are, 27BB/100 seems like impossible long term. I mean what kind of winrate an excellent player could get in an NL25 game on the net? This look like a good analogy of the edge you can get in live.

[ACJames]

well yeah i know that top stat is a little nuts but i am assuming your spending the right time finding the super soft games and knowing where they are at to always be in them

[cero_z]

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Hmm pretty hard to get these kind of reply. Since people with enough experience are rare, and those who take precise notes of each of their session are rarer.

But, for what it's worth, I think your winrate are way too high for long term.
As bad as live players are, 27BB/100 seems like impossible long term. I mean what kind of winrate an excellent player could get in an NL25 game on the net? This look like a good analogy of the edge you can get in live.

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There was a decent thread about this in HSNL. Here's a link. Winrate Thread

[spino1i]

I got a winrate of like $100/hour at 5/10. $50/hour at 2/5. I mean pretty normal winrate I guess. A really big 5/10 I might be able to push $130/hour. My winrate at 10/20 is only like $75/hour (game is obv a lot tougher), but worth it for me to play because it has a potential for a much higher winrate with more practice.

[FBP]

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Hmm pretty hard to get these kind of reply. Since people with enough experience are rare, and those who take precise notes of each of their session are rarer.

But, for what it's worth, I think your winrate are way too high for long term.
As bad as live players are, 27BB/100 seems like impossible long term. I mean what kind of winrate an excellent player could get in an NL25 game on the net? This look like a good analogy of the edge you can get in live.

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There was a decent thread about this in HSNL. Here's a link. Winrate Thread

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Good read, thanks.

[ACJames]

that is a really good thread...i don't think my projected winrates are so crazy anymore spino1i that is sick! 30BB/100 is a little unbelievable though to sustain for long

thanks for the imput

[wpr101]

If you think you can sustain over 20 ptbb/100 you are insane.

[PoppaTMan]

Most recent output from the program I wrote to track my live play:

Statistics:
Total won: $5996.00
Total hours: 92.5
BB won: 1528.3
Hourly rate: $64.82
BB/100: 59.006
BB/Hr: 16.522

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[MorningAfter]

I'm so bad at liveplay ughs..