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Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
Part three...
------ Adanthar provides HHs from the 1K event. His analysis/commentary not mine- although I would like to think I would have written much of it the same way. [ QUOTE ] thanks to p5's, I got the HH for potripper's first 2 hours. Unfortunately, PT can't import it for some freak reason again, so I'm going through it manually. First big doubleup hand: Table: 13 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer [ 2007-09-12 21:15:24 ] Stage #896578317 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20 - 2007-09-12 21:15:24.010 (ET) Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($9875 in chips) Seat 5 - POKERME420 ($10320 in chips) Seat 6 - SCOTT_NZL ($9795 in chips) Seat 7 - DZ00NUTS ($8452 in chips) Seat 8 - KOOLKEITH13 ($9960 in chips) Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($9970 in chips) Seat 1 - BIGREDAK86 ($9940 in chips) Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($14152 in chips) Seat 2 - JOSIAHW ($7466 in chips) POTR0AST - Posts small blind $10 POKERME420 - Posts big blind $20 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [5s Js] SCOTT_NZL - Calls $20 DZ00NUTS - Raises $60 to $60 KOOLKEITH13 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $160 to $160 POKERME420 - Folds POTR0AST - Folds SCOTT_NZL - Calls $140 DZ00NUTS - Calls $100 *** FLOP *** [7d 2d 4c] SCOTT_NZL - Checks DZ00NUTS - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $300 DZ00NUTS - Folds SCOTT_NZL - Raises $900 to $900 POTRIPPER - Raises $2000 to $2300 SCOTT_NZL - Raises $4640 to $5540 POTRIPPER - All-In(Raise) $11692 to $13992 SCOTT_NZL - All-In $4095 POTRIPPER - returned ($4357) : not called *** TURN *** [7d 2d 4c] [7c] *** RIVER *** [7d 2d 4c 7c] [9d] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [10h 10c] (Two Pair, tens and sevens) SCOTT_NZL - Shows [8c 8h] (Two Pair, eights and sevens) POTRIPPER Collects $19780 from main pot This would be donkish but normal in any tournament except the 1K. In the 1K, it's suspicious given our other evidence so far. But let's move on. The very next hand: Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9d Ad] KOOLKEITH13 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Raises $50 to $50 BIGREDAK86 - Raises $180 to $180 JOSIAHW - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $180 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Folds DZ00NUTS - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Calls $130 *** FLOP *** [4h 9s Ah] SCARFACE_79 - Checks BIGREDAK86 - Checks POTRIPPER - Checks *** TURN *** [4h 9s Ah] [2h] SCARFACE_79 - Bets $280 BIGREDAK86 - Folds POTRIPPER - Folds He coldcalls 2 bets cold (the first of 472 times). Someone else flops 2 pair. c/f. Next hand: Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Jh Jc] BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $60 to $60 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Calls $60 DZ00NUTS - Calls $60 KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $300 to $310 SCARFACE_79 - Calls $290 POTRIPPER - Folds POKERME420 - Calls $250 DZ00NUTS - Calls $250 (lotsa action later) KOOLKEITH13 - Shows [Kh As] (ace high) POKERME420 - Shows [Qs Qh] (One pair, queens) He raises but then folds to a RR and 2 CC's. Standard, except this is 1 of about a dozen times he's going to fold PF in 2 hours. Let's keep going: BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds POTR0AST - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $90 to $90 POKERME420 - Raises $180 to $180 DZ00NUTS - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $330 to $420 POKERME420 - Calls $240 *** FLOP *** [10d 7d 4d] POTRIPPER - Checks POKERME420 - Bets $1800 POTRIPPER - Folds POKERME420 - returned ($1800) : not called *** SHOW DOWN *** POKERME420 - Shows [7c 7h] (Three of a kind, sevens) and going... *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [10d Js] POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Folds DZ00NUTS - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Raises $120 to $120 BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Calls $100 POTRIPPER - Raises $520 to $560 Where have we seen this betting pattern before? Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [8s 8d] DZ00NUTS - Calls $40 KOOLKEITH13 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Calls $40 POTRIPPER - Raises $160 to $160 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Folds DZ00NUTS - Calls $120 SCARFACE_79 - Calls $120 *** FLOP *** [Js 3d Kh] DZ00NUTS - Checks SCARFACE_79 - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $320 DZ00NUTS - Calls $320 *** TURN *** [Js 3d Kh] [Kd] SCARFACE_79 - Folds DZ00NUTS - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $5240 DZ00NUTS - Folds what a great cold 3 bet sniffing out 2 bluffs on an 8 high flop... POKERME420 - Raises $200 to $200 DZ00NUTS - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $200 SCARFACE_79 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $175 POTR0AST - Folds *** FLOP *** [8d 6d 3s] POTRIPPER - Checks POKERME420 - Bets $250 KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $850 to $850 POTRIPPER - Raises $5700 to $5700 POKERME420 - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Folds followed by another great read 3 hands later... Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [3d 6c] SCARFACE_79 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $250 to $250 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Calls $250 DZ00NUTS - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Folds *** FLOP *** [4h 5c 6d] POTRIPPER - Bets $150 POKERME420 - Calls $150 *** TURN *** [4h 5c 6d] [As] POTRIPPER - Bets $250 POKERME420 - Raises $800 to $800 POTRIPPER - All-In(Raise) $27797 to $28047 POKERME420 - Folds here's one of his other folds: Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [2d 4h] DZ00NUTS - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Raises $450 to $450 JOSIAHW - Calls $450 POTRIPPER - Folds POTR0AST - Raises $1700 to $1700 POKERME420 - Folds JINXY_MONKEY - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds who wants to guess what potroast had there? anyone? owned by RNG on yet another fantastic read: Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [8h 6d] SCARFACE_79 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $600 to $600 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Folds JINXY_MONKEY - Folds DZ00NUTS - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $450 *** FLOP *** [3s As 10s] KOOLKEITH13 - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $750 KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $2100 to $2100 POTRIPPER - Calls $1350 *** TURN *** [3s As 10s] [Qd] KOOLKEITH13 - All-In $2554 POTRIPPER - Calls $2554 *** SHOW DOWN *** *** RIVER *** [3s As 10s Qd] [Qc] POTRIPPER - Shows [Ah 2c] (Two Pair, aces and queens) KOOLKEITH13 - Shows [Jd Qs] (Three of a kind, queens) another fold: Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Qd Qh] POTRIPPER - Folds he's reraised PF 43875783457845 times so far, but just calls this time. fortunately for him, JJ has, at most, one out: *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Jh 3d] KOOLKEITH13 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Folds JOSIAHW - Raises $600 to $600 POTRIPPER - Calls $600 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Folds JINXY_MONKEY - Folds DZ00NUTS - Calls $400 *** FLOP *** [2d 2s 5s] DZ00NUTS - Checks JOSIAHW - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $1000 DZ00NUTS - Folds JOSIAHW - All-In(Raise) $4291 to $4291 POTRIPPER - Calls $3291 *** TURN *** [2d 2s 5s] [Kd] *** RIVER *** [2d 2s 5s Kd] [3s] *** SHOW DOWN *** JOSIAHW - Shows [Jc Jd] (Two Pair, jacks and twos) POTRIPPER - Shows [As Ac] (Two Pair, aces and twos) another fold: Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Ah Ad] SCARFACE_79 - Raises $550 to $550 BIGREDAK86 - Folds POTRIPPER - Folds check this entire hand out. Nice semibluff on the turn: Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9h 9c] OBV_DONK - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $600 to $600 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Folds JINXY_MONKEY - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $600 SCARFACE_79 - Calls $500 BIGREDAK86 - Folds *** FLOP *** [Ah Ac 8c] SCARFACE_79 - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $400 KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $400 SCARFACE_79 - Calls $400 *** TURN *** [Ah Ac 8c] [3c] SCARFACE_79 - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $1800 KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $1800 SCARFACE_79 - Folds *** RIVER *** [Ah Ac 8c 3c] [Kd] POTRIPPER - Bets $2999 KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $2999 POTRIPPER - Shows [Ks Qd] (Two Pair, aces and kings) *** SHOW DOWN *** KOOLKEITH13 - Mucks POTRIPPER Collects $12958 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($12958) Seat 1: BIGREDAK86 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Board [Ah Ac 8c 3c Kd] Seat 2: OBV_DONK Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 3: POTRIPPER won Total ($12958) HI  $12958) with Two Pair, aces and kings Seat 8: KOOLKEITH13 (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [9s 9d] what's slowplay vs. 2 pair precious Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9h 8c] POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Folds JINXY_MONKEY - Folds CLOVER777 - Folds KOOLKEITH13 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Folds BIGREDAK86 - Raises $600 to $600 OBV_DONK - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $400 *** FLOP *** [Kd Js As] POTRIPPER - Checks BIGREDAK86 - Bets $888 POTRIPPER - Calls $888 *** TURN *** [Kd Js As] [6h] POTRIPPER - Checks BIGREDAK86 - All-In $2652 POTRIPPER - Calls $2652 *** RIVER *** [Kd Js As 6h] [6s] *** SHOW DOWN *** BIGREDAK86 - Shows [Jc Ah] (Two Pair, aces and jacks) POTRIPPER - Shows [10h Qd] (Straight, ten to ace) POTRIPPER Collects $8560 from main pot open folding the button for the only time in 2 hours: POTRIPPER - Folds POTR0AST - Folds *** SHOW DOWN *** POKERME420 Collects $575 from main pot POKERME420 - Shows [Ac Kc] another well executed squeeze Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [10h 8h] POKERME420 - Folds JINXY_MONKEY - Folds CLOVER777 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Raises $800 to $800 AUTOSMOKE - Calls $800 OBV_DONK - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $2950 to $3100 great read one more time sir. also, good river vbet: POTRIPPER - Raises $1600 to $1600 POTR0AST - Calls $1600 POKERME420 - Folds BLANCONEGRO - Folds CLOVER777 - Folds *** FLOP *** [9h 6h 6s] POTRIPPER - Bets $2800 POTR0AST - Calls $2800 *** TURN *** [9h 6h 6s] [3c] POTRIPPER - Bets $5200 POTR0AST - Raises $10400 to $10400 POTRIPPER - Calls $5200 *** RIVER *** [9h 6h 6s 3c] [5h] POTRIPPER - Bets $6000 POTR0AST - Calls $6000 *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [Qs 3s] (Two Pair, sixes and threes) POTR0AST - Mucks *** SUMMARY *** POTRIPPER Collects $42560 from main pot Total Pot($42560) Board [9h 6h 6s 3c 5h] Seat 1: AUTOSMOKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 2: OBV_DONK Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 3: POTRIPPER won Total ($42560) HI $42560) with Two Pair, sixes and threes [Qs 3s - B:6s,B:6h,P:3s,B:3c,P:Qs] Seat 4: POTR0AST HI: [Mucked] [Jc As] next hand: POTRIPPER - Raises $1600 to $1600 POTR0AST - Folds POKERME420 - Calls $1600 BLANCONEGRO - Folds CLOVER777 - Folds SMOOVESTEELY - Folds *** FLOP *** [2d Ad 5s] POTRIPPER - Bets $400 POKERME420 - Calls $400 *** TURN *** [2d Ad 5s] [5h] POTRIPPER - Checks POKERME420 - Bets $1200 POTRIPPER - Raises $2400 to $2400 POKERME420 - Calls $1200 *** RIVER *** [2d Ad 5s 5h] [8d] POTRIPPER - Bets $3600 POKERME420 - All-In(Raise) $15790 to $15790 POTRIPPER - Calls $12190 *** SHOW DOWN *** POKERME420 - Shows [Jc Kd] (One pair, fives) POTRIPPER - Shows [As 2h] (Two Pair, aces and fives) POTRIPPER Collects $41340 from main pot [This hand got mixed in with the others sent to me somehow - its from an hour later] I think he just got bored at this point/had pot odds to call anyway/note his stack: Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($11616 in chips) Seat 1 - AUTOSMOKE ($6564 in chips) Seat 2 - OBV_DONK ($5675 in chips) Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($89564 in chips) Seat 6 - BLANCONEGRO ($8730 in chips) Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($17340 in chips) Seat 7 - CLOVER777 ($2195 in chips) Seat 8 - SMOOVESTEELY ($18900 in chips) AUTOSMOKE - Ante $60 OBV_DONK - Ante $60 POTRIPPER - Ante $60 POTR0AST - Ante $60 BLANCONEGRO - Ante $60 SMOOVESTEELY - Ante $60 CLOVER777 - Ante $60 SCARFACE_79 - Ante $60 SCARFACE_79 - Posts small blind $300 AUTOSMOKE - Posts big blind $600 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [7h 10c] OBV_DONK - Folds POTR0AST - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $1800 to $1800 BLANCONEGRO - Raises $8400 to $8400 SMOOVESTEELY - Folds CLOVER777 - Folds SCARFACE_79 - Folds AUTOSMOKE - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $6600 *** FLOP *** [2c 6d Kd] POTRIPPER - Checks BLANCONEGRO - All-In(Raise) $270 to $270 POTRIPPER - Calls $270 *** RIVER *** [2c 6d Kd Kh] [3c] *** TURN *** [2c 6d Kd] [Kh] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [10s Qd] (One pair, kings) BLANCONEGRO - Shows [8s As] (One pair, kings) not shown: potripper not missing a single opportunity to perfectly make his opponents fold or value betting TP vs. 2nd pair. questions? edit: let's not forget the final hand of the donkament! Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips) Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips) POTRIPPER - Ante $450 CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450 POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250 CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500 *** POCKET CARDS *** POTRIPPER - Calls $2250 CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $9000 CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000 *** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $13500 CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310 POTRIPPER - Calls $186810 *** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings) CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings) POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot [/ QUOTE ] someone says "meh that doesnt look like much... Adanthar adds... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure a HH of my 2nd place finish in the Super Tuesday would look just as suspicious (I play every hand). [/ QUOTE ] His stats in this thing are something like 85/60, and what I left out is an absolutely perfect check/fold (inc first to act) vs bet pattern. Just like DD, he never showed down a worse hand. What you make out of that is up to you. [/ QUOTE ] Later Cowpig states Adanthar has swayed him. -------- doubledrag comes back on to AP again... a hand. Stage #764568105: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-17 00:42:50 (ET) Table: OKLAHOMA ST (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer Seat 4 - BIGHEAD909 ($777 in chips) Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($8571.75 in chips) Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($5511.25 in chips) Seat 1 - RIVERCRIME ($954 in chips) Seat 2 - WPORTER ($2574 in chips) Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips) MANUTEBOLJR - Posts small blind $10 FU_BEGGAR - Posts big blind $20 DOUBLEDRAG - Posts dead $30 dead $10 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to WPORTER [As Ah] RIVERCRIME - Folds WPORTER - Raises $100 to $100 DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $180 to $200 BIGHEAD909 - Folds MANUTEBOLJR - Folds FU_BEGGAR - Folds WPORTER - Raises $700 to $800 DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $600 *** FLOP *** [Kd 6c 2s] WPORTER - Checks DOUBLEDRAG - Checks *** TURN *** [Kd 6c 2s] [3h] WPORTER - All-In $1774 DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $1774 *** RIVER *** [Kd 6c 2s 3h] [10s] *** SHOW DOWN *** WPORTER - Shows [As Ah] (One pair, aces) DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [4d 9c] (king high) WPORTER Collects $5185 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($5188) | Rake ($3) Board [Kd 6c 2s 3h 10s] Seat 1: RIVERCRIME Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 2: WPORTER won Total ($5185) All-In HI $5185) with One pair, aces [As Ah - P:As,P:Ah,B:Kd,B:10s,B:6c] Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG HI:lost with king high [4d 9c - B:Kd,B:10s,P:9c,B:6c,P:4d] Seat 4: BIGHEAD909 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS ------ more morans post and KyleB refutes them in his own special way... "People who say LOL SMALL SAMPLE SIZE when the standard deviation is RIDICULOUS are [censored] idiots, and this obviously includes you. Just because the sample size is small DOES NOT MEAN THE DATA IS NOT VALID YOU IDIOTDAGNSLKHHSD HSLH " note: the other thread apparently just got locked so no more cool quotes... just hand done ones. BEAT. ------ Niss posts a concise/pithy cliffnotes. It is accurate- just not detailed. The cliff notes are: "Overwhelming, undisputed evidence of cheating via "superuser" account or something similar. Then some newb idiot comes in and, without reading all of the posts in the various threads, posts how it's not conclusive and we're a mob. Newb idiot gets shouted down. Doubledrag then goes and plays like a major league retard, dumping thousands, in an obvious attempt to cover his play. More posts about how this is conclusive evidence of cheating. New noob retard comes in and, without reading the posts, says that we're all jumping to conclusions. Rinse and re-wash" From here much of the thread just peters out a bit. There are some good posts- some retarded ones- and some funny ones. One of the funniest things to come out of the last 25 percent or so of the thread is a link to this Stud forums post about Absolute being retards about Razz rules. Hilarious and makes head hurt ------- poster comhood shows up with HHs from the 1K with Potripper and ships Adanthar the goods. "Hi, I finished 4th in the 1000$ tournament (as monsterhood) where Potripper was revealed, and the most famous HH part is from)... can anyone tell me how i get in touch with the moderators? I want to show them parts of my HH as additional proof (though not everybody, obv) Anyone know how i do that? ty" -------Adanthar takes a look and replies/analyzes. stream of consciousness post incoming. I'm writing down every single hand: 2nd hand (5 handed table): Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Kc 10s] *** POCKET CARDS *** MONSTERHOOD - Raises $7200 to $7200 BIGGIES05 - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $40800 to $40800 only fold in the first 8 hands is UTG - someone else raises UTG+1 6th hand: Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Ah 9c] THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Raises $7200 to $7200 BIGGIES05 - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $6000 BLANCONEGRO - Folds *** FLOP *** [2s 9h 3c] POTRIPPER - Checks MONSTERHOOD - Bets $17000 POTRIPPER - Folds 2 more PF folds in 8 hands (not much to go on in either) prior to FT bubble bursting, which happens like this: BIGGIES05 - All-In(Raise) $28708 to $28708 POTRIPPER - Calls $28708 BLANCONEGRO - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Folds THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds *** FLOP *** [7c 3h Ac] *** TURN *** [7c 3h Ac] [8s] *** RIVER *** [7c 3h Ac 8s] [2d] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [As 9d] (One pair, aces) BIGGIES05 - Shows [Ks Qh] (ace high) so he calls a 10x shove with A9o UTG+1 and has the best hand. interesting. Start of FT: Seat 5 - BLANCONEGRO ($117982.04 in chips) Seat 6 - BIGSLICK444 ($59190.50 in chips) Seat 7 - THE_GUN_SHOW ($53240 in chips) Seat 9 - MIKECAROJR ($44430.50 in chips) Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($321308.50 in chips) Seat 1 - MONSTERHOOD ($68420 in chips) Seat 4 - PLETT25 ($63374 in chips) Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($252054.46 in chips) This is the first hand at the FT. Note the odd fold here that we wouldn't see if he was cheating. An alibi? Read on: Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Kh 4h] THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds MIKECAROJR - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8400 to $8400 POTRIPPER - Folds PLETT25 - Folds BLANCONEGRO - Folds BIGSLICK444 - Folds MONSTERHOOD - returned ($5600) : not called very next hand: CRAZYMARCO - Raises $7175 to $7175 MIKECAROJR - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $7175 PLETT25 - Folds BLANCONEGRO - Raises $23700 to $23700 BIGSLICK444 - Folds THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds POTRIPPER - Folds BLANCONEGRO - returned ($16525) : not called Again, this looks like a legitimate donk play. These two hands back to back seem like a solid alibi. Except the next hand: Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Qd Qc] *** POCKET CARDS *** MIKECAROJR - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8400 to $8400 POTRIPPER - Folds this is his fourth PF fold so far in ~12-15 hands. But the hand after that: Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Ac Jh] *** POCKET CARDS *** MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8400 to $8400 POTRIPPER - Calls $8400 PLETT25 - Folds BIGSLICK444 - Folds BLANCONEGRO - Folds THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds MIKECAROJR - Folds *** FLOP *** [10h Qs 2c] MONSTERHOOD - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $28000 MONSTERHOOD - Folds If the hand before that was a 'respect the EP raiser' spot, this one seems odd. These are the first four hands at the FT, in order. Tentative conclusion: When he moved to the FT, the hole card cam wasn't on, and turning it on takes a few seconds - maybe you need to specify the table. Hand 5: Potripper raises UTG and steals the blinds. Hand 6: CRAZYMARCO - Raises $7175 to $7175 MIKECAROJR - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $4375 *** FLOP *** [3d 5h 9d] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Bets $10175 POTRIPPER - Calls $10175 *** TURN *** [3d 5h 9d] [Jc] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** RIVER *** [3d 5h 9d Jc] [2d] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Bets $25175 POTRIPPER - Folds Somebody ask CrazyMarco what he had here. I think this is important. Hand 7: *** POCKET CARDS *** BLANCONEGRO - Folds BIGSLICK444 - Folds THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $3200 MONSTERHOOD - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds MIKECAROJR - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $8000 to $9600 PLETT25 - Folds THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $6400 *** FLOP *** [10d 5s Ah] POTRIPPER - Bets $12800 THE_GUN_SHOW - All-In(Raise) $37440 to $37440 POTRIPPER - Folds I'm willing to bet TheGunShow had exactly a ten. DUCY? Hand 8: Potripper steals blinds with an uncalled 8x raise Hand 9: Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Kc 2h] THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds MIKECAROJR - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Raises $9600 to $9600 POTRIPPER - Raises $25600 to $25600 Hand 10: Potripper steals blinds Hand 11: POTRIPPER - Raises $9600 to $9600 PLETT25 - Folds BLANCONEGRO - Folds THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds BIGSLICK444 - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Calls $6400 *** FLOP *** [Jh 5h As] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $19200 CRAZYMARCO - Folds Hand 12: Potripper open folds PF, folding for the first time since hand #3 of the FT POTRIPPER - Folds eventually... CRAZYMARCO - Shows [Ac Ah] (Two Pair, aces and nines) Hand 13: CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175 MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $4975 *** FLOP *** [Jc Ad 8c] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** TURN *** [Jc Ad 8c] [6h] POTRIPPER - Bets $3200 CRAZYMARCO - Calls $3200 *** RIVER *** [Jc Ad 8c 6h] [Js] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Bets $25175 POTRIPPER - Folds another minbet bluff from PR on the turn. I'll put $ on CM having a jack here. Hand 14: Potripper sees souls good THE_GUN_SHOW - Raises $7660 to $7660 CRAZYMARCO - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $6060 PLETT25 - Folds *** FLOP *** [5h 6s Jc] POTRIPPER - Checks THE_GUN_SHOW - Checks *** TURN *** [5h 6s Jc] [9c] POTRIPPER - Checks THE_GUN_SHOW - Bets $9500 POTRIPPER - Raises $25400 to $25400 THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $15900 *** RIVER *** [5h 6s Jc 9c] [6c] POTRIPPER - Bets $17000 THE_GUN_SHOW - Calls $17000 *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [10d Jd] (Two Pair, jacks and sixes) Seat 7: THE_GUN_SHOW HI: [Mucked] [9d Kd] Hand 15: he steals blinds Hand 16: THE_GUN_SHOW - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175 MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $8175 PLETT25 - Folds BLANCONEGRO - Raises $24000 to $25600 BIGSLICK444 - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds POTRIPPER - Folds okay, another one of these. doubledrag does this a whole lot in his cash games, too. but you can argue this is evidence of legitimacy. Hand 17: the second PF fold to one raise since hand #3 Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [Jh Js] CRAZYMARCO - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Raises $8000 to $8000 POTRIPPER - Folds 18: Pot steals blinds 19: first flop check/fold of the session, I think? PLETT25 - Raises $10800 to $10800 BLANCONEGRO - Folds BIGSLICK444 - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $7200 *** FLOP *** [8s Jd 4h] POTRIPPER - Checks PLETT25 - Bets $10800 POTRIPPER - Folds 20: POTRIPPER - Raises $5400 to $7200 PLETT25 - Calls $3600 *** FLOP *** [7h 4c Ac] POTRIPPER - Bets $3600 PLETT25 - Calls $3600 *** TURN *** [7h 4c Ac] [Kd] POTRIPPER - Bets $7200 PLETT25 - Folds the stack sizes now look like this: Seat 4 - PLETT25 ($51454 in chips) Seat 5 - BLANCONEGRO ($144882.04 in chips) Seat 6 - BIGSLICK444 ($39110.50 in chips) Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($359474 in chips) Seat 1 - MONSTERHOOD ($66800 in chips) Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($318279.46 in chips) 21: first potripper open limp of the session, which comes on the button POTRIPPER - Calls $3600 PLETT25 - Calls $1800 BLANCONEGRO - Raises $12500 to $16100 POTRIPPER - Calls $12500 PLETT25 - Folds *** FLOP *** [10h 7s 7d] BLANCONEGRO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $3600 BLANCONEGRO - Raises $16000 to $16000 POTRIPPER - Calls $12400 *** TURN *** [10h 7s 7d] [Jh] BLANCONEGRO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $43200 BLANCONEGRO - Raises $111600 to $111600 POTRIPPER - Raises $180000 to $223200 BLANCONEGRO - All-In $822.04 POTRIPPER - returned ($110777.96) : not called *** RIVER *** [10h 7s 7d Jh] [2s] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [7c 9h] (Three of a kind, sevens) BLANCONEGRO - Shows [Jc Kd] (Two Pair, jacks and sevens) 22: Note that a 5 is missing from the deck to start this hand Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [5s 6d] MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $10800 to $10800 PLETT25 - Folds BIGSLICK444 - All-In(Raise) $36590.50 to $38390.50 CRAZYMARCO - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $27590.50 *** FLOP *** [Ks 3h 10c] *** TURN *** [Ks 3h 10c] [Kh] *** RIVER *** [Ks 3h 10c Kh] [Qs] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [Jd Kc] (Three of a kind, kings) BIGSLICK444 - Shows [5c 5d] (Two Pair, kings and fives) 23: pot steals blinds 24: pot folds for the third or fourth time since hand 3 PLETT25 - Raises $10800 to $10800 POTRIPPER - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Raises $30175 to $30175 MONSTERHOOD - Folds PLETT25 - All-In(Raise) $35614 to $46414 CRAZYMARCO - Calls $16239 *** FLOP *** [Qc 6c 8s] *** TURN *** [Qc 6c 8s] [4s] *** RIVER *** [Qc 6c 8s 4s] [Jd] *** SHOW DOWN *** PLETT25 - Shows [Kh Ks] (One pair, kings) CRAZYMARCO - Shows [3h 3s] (One pair, threes) hand 25: first potripper checkdown Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [9c 4d] CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175 MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Calls $6375 PLETT25 - Folds *** FLOP *** [2s 3c 4c] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** TURN *** [2s 3c 4c] [6h] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** RIVER *** [2s 3c 4c 6h] [5h] POTRIPPER - Checks CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [8d Js] (Straight, two to six) CRAZYMARCO - Shows [4h Ac] (Straight, two to six) hand 26: note two diamonds are missing Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [4d 3d] MONSTERHOOD - Folds POTRIPPER - Raises $7200 to $7200 PLETT25 - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Calls $3600 *** FLOP *** [Ah 2h 5d] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Checks *** TURN *** [Ah 2h 5d] [Kd] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $7200 CRAZYMARCO - Calls $7200 *** RIVER *** [Ah 2h 5d Kd] [8h] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $14400 CRAZYMARCO - Calls $14400 *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [Jd Ac] (One pair, aces) Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [9d 8d] 27: POTRIPPER - Raises $7200 to $7200 PLETT25 - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Folds MONSTERHOOD - Calls $3600 with two random cards that aren't an A, 5 or 4 *** FLOP *** [4c Ad 5c] MONSTERHOOD - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $7200 MONSTERHOOD - Folds 28: he has the pot odds to make this call if he puts monsterhood exactly on A3 Seat 1 - MONSTERHOOD ($51680 in chips) Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($558072 in chips) Seat 4 - PLETT25 ($93188 in chips) Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($277060 in chips) MONSTERHOOD - Ante $360 POTRIPPER - Ante $360 PLETT25 - Ante $360 CRAZYMARCO - Ante $360 MONSTERHOOD - Posts small blind $1800 POTRIPPER - Posts big blind $3600 Dealt to MONSTERHOOD [As 3d] *** POCKET CARDS *** PLETT25 - Folds CRAZYMARCO - Raises $8175 to $8175 MONSTERHOOD - All-In(Raise) $49520 to $51320 POTRIPPER - Calls $47720 CRAZYMARCO - Folds *** TURN *** [Jh Qc 5d] [Kd] *** FLOP *** [Jh Qc 5d] *** RIVER *** [Jh Qc 5d Kd] [Ad] *** SHOW DOWN *** MONSTERHOOD - Shows [As 3d] (One pair, aces) POTRIPPER - Shows [Qh 10s] (Straight, ten to ace) some debate ensues about what those hands could/do mean. Adanthar pwns. "that tourney summary is no where close to supporting the case of cheating, if anything it has swayed me the other way temporarily (until the next installment!)" ------------------------------------------------------------ you are right, that FT summary alone is insufficient: Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET) Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips) Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips) POTRIPPER - Ante $450 CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450 POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250 CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500 *** POCKET CARDS *** POTRIPPER - Calls $2250 CRAZYMARCO - Checks *** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $9000 CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000 *** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s] CRAZYMARCO - Checks POTRIPPER - Bets $13500 CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310 POTRIPPER - Calls $186810 *** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s] *** SHOW DOWN *** POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings) CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings) POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot -------and then Adanthar clarifies some things. "Minus the first two hands at the FT where I don't think he was cheating, the HH from 8 handed to 4 handed lasts 26 hands. In total, he folded PF 5 times. One was when he called a raise and then folded to CM's squeeze behind. Of the other four, two were open folds and two were folds to a raise in front. The raises in front were QQ 1x and JJ 1x. When he open folded, people behind him had AA 1x and KK 1x. He also open limped on the button once (there were no other open limps in this HH), with 97s vs. what turned out to be KJo. " ----- several props/former props for Absolute chime in with interesting stories. For this thread they are irrelevant- read the other thread if you want them. ------Adanthar asks for new cliffsnotes. I step up the plate. Hope this helps. |
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09-18-2007, 12:03 AM
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Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
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I could get my whole HH for the turney if you guys think its worth it... I played a decent amount with potripper [/ QUOTE ] if it's as lolworthy as these 28 hands, plz do |
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09-18-2007, 12:05 AM
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Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Comprehensive.. nice work. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it? [/ QUOTE ] Cuz that's gay. All the cool kids use "omnipaccount" or "omnisciuser". [/ QUOTE ] ZOMG, title change plz. |
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09-18-2007, 12:07 AM
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Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
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The only part I wish this forum would exercise a little more caution about is the allegations about Seif's potential involvement. Those claims are very, very dubious (i'm not ruling anything out, but I personally REALLY doubt that he has anything to do with this), and the only potential substantiation comes in the form of an uncorroborated report from a guy who Seif ran over HU >> WHO HAS SINCE RECANTED! I just bring these points up to do my best to maintain this thread's credibility. The PT stats and HHs are IRON-CLAD, FOOL-PROOF, CONCLUSIVE. No reasonable pair of eyes can disagree with them. The allegations about Seif, on the other hand, belong in fairy-tale land (for now), and they shouldn't be held out to be authoritative; all they do for now is detract from the rest of the evidence's perceived legitimacy. [/ QUOTE ] teddy- I pondered a bit before even linking that. in retrospect I could have/should have left it out- but even I wasnt sure where exactly the entire thread had gone on it or where this thread was going. I did make sure to point out the player retracted that spin on it, and also that it was irrelevant to the actual discussion in this thread. I certainly tried to keep this thread on point and limited to the actual data/actions/ concrete stuff with exceptions for things I found hilarious. In BBV it would be a crime to not have included some of those. If I missed in that particular instance I apologize. |
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09-18-2007, 12:10 AM
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Re: New cliffsnotes for old Absolute cliffsnotes thread
This is a cliffsnotes of the old cliffsnotes thread regarding the suspected cheating accounts at Absolute.
lol i stopped right there..super account LOLOLOL |
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09-18-2007, 12:30 AM
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http://www.pokeraffiliateworld.com/forum...ute-thread.html AP made a statement there. Sorry if this has already been posted. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So far we have no evidence that substantiates claims that any of the players were involved in chip dumping [/ QUOTE ] 
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