Can someone explain? - Page 2

rabbitlover · #11 11-05-2007, 05:24 PM

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most people are clueless what to do out of position, but im really amazed by his play, im assuming this is some kinda freeroll or 0,10$ tournament or you got really really lucky with your table.Haven't seen this kinda plays even in rebuys.

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$55

ZenMusician · #12 11-05-2007, 05:24 PM

When I started playing O8, I was a winning LHE
player up to 10/20. I began at the bottom - .01/.02
and worked my way up to where I normally play.

I simply cannot fathom how you can "learn" in $50+
tournaments without a basic knowledge of fundamentals.

If money is no object, then, whatever, but you are
robbing yourself of an education.

Just my silly .02

-ZEN

ssnyc · #13 11-05-2007, 05:25 PM

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I simply don´t understand YOUR play here.

1) Why do you make it 650 preflop? This is much too high ...

2) SB pushes into three opponents. The board is rather dry (besides the two hearts). What the hell was your motivation to call him with just A high (and a backdoor flushdraw)?! You must have had special reads to do this ...

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I did, he pushed with nothing twice before against different opponents, loses one, then cracks AA on the other to regain chips. So yes, I had a read and was fairly sure I was ahead.

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please answer question 1

rabbitlover · #14 11-05-2007, 05:27 PM

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I have these situations that happen to me constantly to take me out of tournaments. For the life of me I do not know how to deal with players who will call any PF raise with any two cards and then PUSH on a flop they are only 38%.

It happens to me so often I am getting paranoid that either I don't play these situations right or the whole damn thing really is rigged.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) TightPoker converter

UTG+1 (t1850)
MP1 (t3745)
MP2 (t4380)
Hero (t4110)
CO (t8416)
Button (t5075)
SB (t5611)
BB (t3248)
UTG (t4075)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, Hero raises to t650, 2 folds, SB calls t625, BB calls t600, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t600.

Flop: (t2650) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t4961 (All-In), BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t3460 (All-In).

Turn: (t11071) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t11071) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t11071

Results hidden below: 
SB has 4c 3c (straight, seven high).
Hero has Ks Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins t11071. 

Hope some of the more experienced here will respond; and don't just tell me about bad beats. I am consistantly being bad beat by bad players.

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you raised it what preflop?????? Why? For the love of god why???? And then you called the all in for how much???????? Who cares what he had...you played it badly and would have lost to a huge range of hands

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Then seeing what I have explained about this player, at what point do YOU not allow yourself to be pushed off a hand?

ssnyc · #15 11-05-2007, 05:30 PM

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I have these situations that happen to me constantly to take me out of tournaments. For the life of me I do not know how to deal with players who will call any PF raise with any two cards and then PUSH on a flop they are only 38%.

It happens to me so often I am getting paranoid that either I don't play these situations right or the whole damn thing really is rigged.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) TightPoker converter

UTG+1 (t1850)
MP1 (t3745)
MP2 (t4380)
Hero (t4110)
CO (t8416)
Button (t5075)
SB (t5611)
BB (t3248)
UTG (t4075)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, Hero raises to t650, 2 folds, SB calls t625, BB calls t600, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t600.

Flop: (t2650) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t4961 (All-In), BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t3460 (All-In).

Turn: (t11071) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t11071) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t11071

Results hidden below: 
SB has 4c 3c (straight, seven high).
Hero has Ks Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: SB wins t11071. 

Hope some of the more experienced here will respond; and don't just tell me about bad beats. I am consistantly being bad beat by bad players.

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you raised it what preflop?????? Why? For the love of god why???? And then you called the all in for how much???????? Who cares what he had...you played it badly and would have lost to a huge range of hands

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Then seeing what I have explained about this player, at what point do YOU not allow yourself to be pushed off a hand?

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rabbit...simple enough...you have a bad player targeted...why go after him with absolutely nothing? yes AK is junk after the flop to that much action...trust our ability to outplay him and find a better spot...remember that term cause it's a wonderful poker truism...you can find a better spot...

also raise less preflop...no reason to raise that much...if he sucks you can stack him if you hit. If you want to get fancy with QQ plus like this fine but AK needs some care

rabbitlover · #16 11-05-2007, 05:30 PM

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I simply don´t understand YOUR play here.

1) Why do you make it 650 preflop? This is much too high ...

2) SB pushes into three opponents. The board is rather dry (besides the two hearts). What the hell was your motivation to call him with just A high (and a backdoor flushdraw)?! You must have had special reads to do this ...

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I did, he pushed with nothing twice before against different opponents, loses one, then cracks AA on the other to regain chips. So yes, I had a read and was fairly sure I was ahead.

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please answer question 1

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Obvious overbet, $250 to $300 would have been fine; but I can tell you I am not folding to this guy.

So my play is suspect to you; but really NO comment about the other guy?

rabbitlover · #17 11-05-2007, 05:32 PM

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When I started playing O8, I was a winning LHE
player up to 10/20. I began at the bottom - .01/.02
and worked my way up to where I normally play.

I simply cannot fathom how you can "learn" in $50+
tournaments without a basic knowledge of fundamentals.

If money is no object, then, whatever, but you are
robbing yourself of an education.

Just my silly .02

-ZEN

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Thanks for the enlightenment. YOU would have played the hand how?

ssnyc · #18 11-05-2007, 05:33 PM

not the point at all...you played the hand horrible...a pair o dueces beat you...you had a read..great but use it in conjunction with a hand...

ZenMusician · #19 11-05-2007, 05:33 PM

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at what point do YOU not allow yourself to be pushed off a hand?

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When I actually HAVE a hand.

Please stop making reads that players won't fold and then
gaping in awe when they beat your Ace-high. kthanks

-ZEN

quirkasaurus · #20 11-05-2007, 05:40 PM

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here's the explaination...

the dude put you AK, AQ, AJ, etc...

after the flop, he was hoping to bluff you
off your hand by "representing" trips,
the nuts flush draw, or TPTK or even JJ,
QQ, etc...

he wasn't hoping for a call,
much less to win the hand after you did.

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I take it then that is a std. PF call for YOU with 4-3s?

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did you quote the right post?!

i said the guy was pretending like he had QQ or JJ...

i don't think anyone here, villain included, expected you
to make that call. if any face card hits that flop, i doubt
the villain makes that play.