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Old 10-25-2006, 03:01 PM
tinze tinze is offline
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Default NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

What would be the best action on the turn? Villain is fairly aggressive but not maniac.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($110.20)
Hero ($312.75)
BB ($149.85)
UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($219.10)
MP1 ($209.10)
MP2 ($136.05)
CO ($229.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $5, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($18) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $14</font>, BB calls $14, CO folds.

Turn: ($46) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero??
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

Repop pf, as played i am leading turn folding to a reraise.Reraising agressive players pf is a good play to add to your arsenal
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:05 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

check-raise.
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

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Repop pf, as played i am leading turn folding to a reraise.Reraising agressive players pf is a good play to add to your arsenal

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I would definately repop pf against aggressive opponent, but CO who is the original raiser raised something like 5% of the hands preflop. In this case CO folded on the flop and I was left against aggressive BB. What makes this hand difficult in my mind is the fact that BB was willing to call my fairly big bet on the flop when the original pf-raiser was yet to act.
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

Something isn't right when you lead the flop with an overpair on a good board, and then get totally confused on a blankish turn.

Why were you leading the flop? Just to fold out hands that are drawing very thin vs your hand?
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

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check-raise.

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Why would I consider check raise? It is likely that I am way ahead or way behind. No hand that I am behind will fold to my check raise and many hands that I have beat won't even bet on that turn.
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

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Something isn't right when you lead the flop with an overpair on a good board, and then get totally confused on a blankish turn.

Why were you leading the flop? Just to fold out hands that are drawing very thin vs your hand?

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I bet the flop due to the original raiser (CO). If he has QQ or better I will know it very quickly and I can fold my hand. It is unlikely that he would bet with two overcards (where check-raise would be the right move) and I hate to give free cards with just JJ and 2 opponents.

When the BB calls my pot-sized bet I think I can narrow his range pretty much:
A6, 66, 99, 78, TT, 88, 77 and weak 9's are the most likely hands.

The turn card was far away from being a blank if my hand reading was right.
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

bet and fold to a shove.....river reevalute...hope for undercard
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: NL 200 JJ as an overpair on turn.

i would rr pf to about $20-24...

if played like above, i would bet pot size on turn and fold to raise... if villain calls, check river and evaluate his bet.
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Old 10-25-2006, 04:07 PM
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if played like above, i would bet pot size on turn and fold to raise... if villain calls, check river and evaluate his bet.

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Ok. Most people would lead the turn and fold to a shove. I fully agree with this line. However I am not so sure about the amount I should bet. I am already thinking about the river bets if I am called and I would rather keep the pot as small as possible.
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