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Old 11-23-2007, 06:58 PM
cs3 cs3 is offline
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Default Re: Playing OOP w/ 99

why did you donk the flop?
i see almost zero value there. if PFR has Jx+ hes calling or more likely rasising and we have to fold, and if he has hearts hes also raising and we have to fold. if he has 88-55 hes folding 95%0f the time.

And that doesnt even take into account the fact that CO is also in the hand!

so definitely c/f turn. sometimes c/f flop, sometimes c/c flop
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:48 PM
Money2Burn Money2Burn is offline
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Default Re: Playing OOP w/ 99

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So, it's standard for you guys to squeeze an MP raiser w/ mid pairs??? This seems contradictory to what a lot of good players advise. Most good players don't like 3betting OOP w/ mid pairs, so why is squeezing so good?

And what is so terrible about donking this particular flop?

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Why do you think it's a good idea to be betting the flop into two people?
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:58 PM
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So, it's standard for you guys to squeeze an MP raiser w/ mid pairs??? This seems contradictory to what a lot of good players advise. Most good players don't like 3betting OOP w/ mid pairs, so why is squeezing so good?

And what is so terrible about donking this particular flop?

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Why do you think it's a good idea to be betting the flop into two people?

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I donked flop strictly cuz my hand is good a decent % of the time on that flop, so I'm betting to protect my hand and take the pot down. I DON'T know if this is any good. It's just something I do in certain spots and it seems to work enough if I pick the right spots.

I want someone who squeezes w/ 99 here to tell me why it's better than calling
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:00 PM
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Really hate the flop line here, either c/c, c/r or rr pf. leading flop is about the worst imo
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:25 PM
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i think flop is fine imo. it puts alot of pressure on MP and makes him play his hand straight up. Same also with CO.

sure u can check and get out of hte way if MP bets and CO calls. but i think these nits will check the flop through alot which kinda sucks with our hand.

not saying donking out is optimal but i think it's fine in this instance.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:33 PM
Fonkey123 Fonkey123 is offline
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Default Re: Playing OOP w/ 99

Turn your hand into a bluff and bet turn and river or just check/fold

If you were around 100bb you could go for the super sick insane range merging value bluffing CRAI as well, but these stacks suck for that.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:33 PM
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Turn your hand into a bluff and bet turn and river or just check/fold

If you were around 100bb you could go for the super sick insane range merging value bluffing CRAI as well, but these stacks suck for that.

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So what's your take on donking here Fonkey?
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:41 PM
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Turn your hand into a bluff and bet turn and river or just check/fold

If you were around 100bb you could go for the super sick insane range merging value bluffing CRAI as well, but these stacks suck for that.

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So what's your take on donking here Fonkey?

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Since, it's 3 way I'd check to see what the nit is going to do since he'll essentially announce if he has a set or not.

Typical tag is going to auto cbet this flop almost every time, so you gain information when the nit raises you. I'm not a huge fan of the donking, and think check/calling is probably preferable here.

I kind of want to know if he raises the flop with overpairs, which I think he does the majority of the time. I feel he has a weakish one pair hand like a Jack or like 88-55. He's going to check/behind a lot with those as well and probably bet if he has a jack and you check. If you had air you should double barrel but you have a fair amount of showdown value.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:21 AM
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Default Re: Playing OOP w/ 99

BGnight,

"This seems contradictory to what a lot of good players advise. Most good players don't like 3betting OOP w/ mid pairs, so why is squeezing so good?"

Where exactly have you read this may I ask? Sounds made up. Generic sentiments such as this are not made by 'good players'.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:33 AM
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c/f. not a huge fan of flop either

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