Complaint about Israel thread

[BluffTHIS!]

mrick,

You mischaracterized what I said for I didn't state that having proven something was true or false, that it was for all time true or false regardless of changing conditions. This *should* be obvious since I am focusing on truth/falsity and actions, instead of on inherent qualities of race.

The standard of truth/falsity is judged at the instant an assertion is made and is applied to the scope of an assertion. I.E., saying X is a lying piece of crap without limitations implies that X has always and is still lying. Obviously there are other alternatives such as lying now, has lied for the past X years or about such and such a position.

You used a lot of words to say not much and not prove anything.

[ElliotR]

I must say that whomever chose the title for this thread did a poor job. I thought, until I saw Andy's locked post, that this thread was about someone's complaint about Israel.


Now having read this thread, I thank zaster for speaking up and andy for being the conscience of this board. They are entirely right.

And I thank iron for making this a separate thread (even if he chose the bad title), so that I could delight in the delicious irony of seeing BluffTHIS! say to someone else "You used a lot of words to say not much and not prove anything".

Excellent!

[iron81]

I'm persuaded that the "piece of crap" comment is inappropriate. However, I don't see the point in deleting an OP that has been up for 3 days. Please hit notify mod on any similar that is more recent and I'll clean the thread up in the morning.

However, advocacy of war, and yes war crimes like ethnic cleansing, is a legitimate political position. I won't moderate that.

[BluffTHIS!]

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I'm persuaded that the "piece of crap" comment is inappropriate.

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I trust you are only persuaded as to the unlimited scope of the statement in absence of proof of the unlimited broadest scope, is that correct? I.E., if he either demonstrated reasonable proof of such a broad statement (even if all or most don't agree), or if he limited the scope, then you would be OK with it wouldn't you?

To be clear, I don't think he has proven the broadest scope of that comment, but believe he could prove a narrower scope (like "the majority of Palestinians who support Fatah and Hamas).

[mrick]

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You mischaracterized what I said for I didn't state that having proven something was true or false, that it was for all time true or false regardless of changing conditions.

[/ QUOTE ] I merely extended your "logic" to its natural conclusion.

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I am focusing on truth/falsity and actions, instead of on inherent qualities of race.

The standard of truth/falsity is judged at the instant an assertion is made and is applied to the scope of an assertion. I.E., saying X is a lying piece of crap without limitations implies that X has always and is still lying.

[/ QUOTE ] Of course you can argue that X is a LPOC now, e.g. "The Arabs, in the context of the Israel/Arab conflict, are LPOC". That would be a valid argument IMO -- which would need to be justified of course, in the course of a dicsussion. We seem to agree that making a claim about the attributes of a group of people, any kind of people, needs to be justified -- otherwise the claimant is by default a bigot.

But the issue is different than this and very, very clear. And I'll make it clearer!

Seems like Felix Nietche is free to claim that "Arabs are LPOC" (now, forever, or "in the context, etc" doesn't matter). Is Andyfox or me or anyone else free to claim that "Israelis are LPOC" ? And since the mods have ruled that proposals for war and ethnic cleansing can be advocated and discussed on this forum, am I allowed to propose that all Israelis should be deported from "Palestine" and that every Israeli --man,woman, or child-- who refuses to leave should be EXTERMINATED ??


Note that Andyfox was somewhat more discreet than Felix. Andyfox wrote about "Israelis"; while the proper counter-example to Felix's "Arabs" is of course "Jews"...

[BluffTHIS!]

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You mischaracterized what I said for I didn't state that having proven something was true or false, that it was for all time true or false regardless of changing conditions.

[/ QUOTE ] I merely extended your "logic" to its natural conclusion.

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Cyrus,

I am only going to address this part of your post in order to show everyone what a lying intentionally distorting piece of [censored] you are.

You have deliberately used a logical fallacy here. When I say the weather condition is "cloudy", by your "logic", I am saying the weather has always been and will always be cloudy. Thus you have intentionally ignored the time limitation in order to misportray what I said.

Regardless of whether the IP address of your mrick account matches that of proven former Cyrus accounts, you are the same and if iron doesn't acknowledge that and ban your ass he is being willfully blind. GTFO.

[mrick]

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I am only going to address this part of your post in order to show everyone what a lying intentionally distorting piece of [censored] you are.

You have deliberately used a logical fallacy here. When I say the weather condition is "cloudy", by your "logic", I am saying the weather has always been and will always be cloudy. Thus you have intentionally ignored the time limitation in order to misportray what I said.

[/ QUOTE ] No, I specifically accepted that it's OK to claim that "X is LPOC" now or for any period in history. The question remains if you can say this about any X or only about Arabs as Felix did.

The rest of your incoherence about "Cyrus" should I care about? Because I dont know what youre talking about.