200nl 6max DEEP- Raised flop NutFLushDraw facing 4 bet push!

[vancouverspecial]

raising flop with these stacks is pretty bad imo.

100bb is perfect,
300bb+ is good too, but your stacks are just too awkward

[Gesangsverein]

You really want to get it in with a draw for 200bb with villain shoving?!
Don`t know if I would be able to fold to his shove, but I just have a bad feeling about calling here.

I like calling his bet on the flop...You are deep and having postion + a ton of implied odds. In addition to that BB might have a medium strong hand and call which adds some dead money to the pot if you hit your flush.

[Money2Burn]

This is a call, but I think it's close because it's so deep and I think this guy's range is heavily weighted towards sets because he's fairly passive postflop. It would be easier if you had raised more. I probably make it 100 or 110.

[AnthonyH]

This deep, I flat the flop. This deep, if you are reraising, it must be with intention of felting this flop, which I am not comfortable doing. After he comes over the top, his range has narrowed enough to where it beats you, and being this deep you don't have the odds to play for stacks. Folding obv sucks, so calling is best imo.

[primate]

I have stoved this. The best equity I can find is 33%. And this is being generous by including some slow played KK.

I think the "CORRECT" decision should have been to fold to the push. However I called.

$309.15 and is All-In

Turn: ($797.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($797.30) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $797.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Nine high) and LOST (-$393.15 NET)
Hero showed J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $794.30 (+$401.15 NET)

[Paul Thomson]

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I have stoved this. The best equity I can find is 33%. And this is being generous by including some slow played KK.

I think the "CORRECT" decision should have been to fold to the push. However I called.

$309.15 and is All-In

Turn: ($797.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($797.30) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $797.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Nine high) and LOST (-$393.15 NET)
Hero showed J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $794.30 (+$401.15 NET)

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

15,840 games 0.005 secs 3,168,000 games/sec

Board: 2h 9d 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.354% 40.35% 00.00% 6392 0.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 59.646% 59.65% 00.00% 9448 0.00 { AA, 99-88, 22, KdQd, KdTd, QdTd, Td8d, 8d6d, 7d6d }

[Money2Burn]

just curious, but what ranges did you put for him?

[aislephive]

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I have stoved this. The best equity I can find is 33%. And this is being generous by including some slow played KK.

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Wtf range are you giving him?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

49,500 games 0.015 secs 3,300,000 games/sec

Board: 2d 9d 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.840% 41.79% 00.05% 20684 27.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 58.160% 58.11% 00.05% 28762 27.00 { 88+, 22, Kd8d, Qd8d, Jd8d, Td8d, 98s, 8d7d, 8d6d, 8d5d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 98o }

My range is a little wide probably but at worst we're going to have like 38-40% equity against his range. TT+ may seem unlikely, but he also likely raises 88-99 preflop as well and his play reeks of a draw / scared overpair imo more than a set. I think 89 is a very likely hand here as well.

It's a marginal decision, but it's +EV and you should call.

I also do not like raising the flop, we don't want to chase out inferior draws behind us and if you really think villain is looking to bet/3bet a set or two pair then you obviously don't want to give him that opportunity.

Plus raise/folding the NFD with these stacks is gross.

[soda]

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Plus raise/folding the NFD with these stacks is gross.

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I love this statement you made here because I believe it is true no matter your strategy. I try very hard to be an idiot and as such I'm perceived very very often as an idiot. I'm happy to get it all in even this deep in such a spot. But even if you are a solid tag (whose game I totally respect BTW), you still do NOT want to raise this flop and then fold. Pick a better line.

soda

[crunchi]

OP, villain donks and you didnt plan for his 3bet? wtf?