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Old 09-20-2007, 11:30 PM
tarath tarath is offline
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Default Interesting 88 hand

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $190.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $203.00
Hero (MP): $209.10
CO: $74.10
BTN: $197.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $38.00</font>
Hero???

Villian is unknown, his 6th hand

This is kind of a wierd spot because against almost all his range either we're currently ahead but he has a lot of outs ie he has a high spade and posibly a pair, or he has a set and we're behind but our flush outs are clean...
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:50 PM
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Yeah I pretty much fold this every single time. Villain is unknown fold make a mental note, keep watching him.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:03 AM
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muck it rapido presto
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:14 AM
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Easiest fold. Think about it,
Villain's possible hands:
AsX- we're about 50:50
Flush- we're 2%ing...
Set- we're still worse than 2:1 dog.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:15 AM
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Forgot: Other overpairs.... they have us bent over too
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:30 AM
tarath tarath is offline
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Easiest fold. Think about it,
Villain's possible hands:
AsX- we're about 50:50
Flush- we're 2%ing...
Set- we're still worse than 2:1 dog.

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You guys are probably right but I'm not completely convinced.

Against this range we have about 32% equity and we have to pay 26 at a pot of 93. We have position on the turn, and calling can put him in a tough spot on the turn. If he has a medium/low flush a spade coming is a tough spot to be in, If he has Asx a non-spade is a tough spot to be in.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:21 AM
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Hrm i think i would call and make them bet a lot on the turn before i would fold. There are a lot of turn cards that change the board a lot and we have position.

Also, i stopped cbetting monotone flops unless i decided i wanted to get it all in with my hand.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:26 AM
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Also, i stopped cbetting monotone flops unless i decided i wanted to get it all in with my hand.

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This is awful for so many reasons.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:31 AM
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If you call whats your plan on the turn? Fold to another significant bet? A lot of villains fire another barrel here even with air/spade overcard. If he checks what do you do on a non-spade turn compared to a spade turn? This is really a tough spot to put yourself in and I'd rather do it against a player that I generally have an idea how they play.
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Old 09-21-2007, 04:39 AM
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