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Old 08-11-2007, 02:00 PM
minwoo minwoo is offline
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Default Easy or tough spot with two pair

This hand was played exact one hand before the one in question:

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Button ($204.05)
SB ($82.60)
BB ($232.40)
Hero ($456.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($17) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, Button calls $12.

Turn: ($41) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, Button calls $30.

River: ($101) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $101

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ah 6h (one pair, sevens).
Button has Td Ts (two pair, tens and sevens).
Outcome: Button wins $101. </font>

On to the actual hand:

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MP ($254.05)
Button ($81.60)
SB ($230.40)
BB ($115.10)
Hero ($407.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, MP calls $7, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($17) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, MP calls $12.

Turn: ($41) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $70</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero...</font>

Villain's stats at 17.8/11.7/1.4 over 100 hands.

Instapush right?
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

nah you're toast here, muck em
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

Check/fold turn hand 1 btw.

Hand 2 fold. If he doesnt raise an overpair, what does he raise? Either he has insta-adjusted against you or he has you crushed. You being crushed is more likely.
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

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nah you're toast here, muck em

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I agree, i think its a fold but i dont know if i would make this fold in the game. His most likely hand imo is JT. He would prolly rr AA/QQ- 99 is less likely do to you having one and I guess AQ is a possibility. The only hand that you are beating is a badly palyed AK, because i cant see this villan raising with anything worse
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

ejay,

Given the reads of hand 1, can we be sure villain would play AK remotely like this?
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

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ejay,

Given the reads of hand 1, can we be sure villain would play AK remotely like this?

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probably not, but if he is thinking about calling thats the only thing that he MIGHT see that he is beating, i guess another hand would be A8 but i dont see a 17/11 playing that pf
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

Check/fold turn hand 1 yep.

Hand 2 don't think is a clear fold. Hero playing identical to hand 1, doubt opponents get any read other than similar range. The reraise could've been a bluff. I think this is one of the rare occasions(for me anyway) where call/see river is best option. Any diamond, A/K/Q/J/10/9 could all severely scare the villain into not shoving if you just checked the river. Or if you bet out strong or shove, surely that's a better spot to do so than the turn "instapush" you suggested.
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

Another important factor that imo is way to neglected, is that players tend not to bluff right after scooping in a big pot, especially not against the same villain.
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

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Another important factor that imo is way to neglected, is that players tend not to bluff right after scooping in a big pot, especially not against the same villain.

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depends on what stakes though..
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Old 08-11-2007, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: Easy or tough spot with two pair

Yeah but this is NL200
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