JJ vs EP raiser all in on flop

[z28dreams]

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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MP: $21.30
CO: $35.15
BTN: $60.85
SB: $33
Hero (BB): $25
UTG: $23.45

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">MP raises to $1.10</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.65</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $2.55

Flop: ($7.65) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $17.65 and is All-In</font>, Hero ???

Probably one of those gut-feel type spots. No reads or stats on villain - I've only played around 5 hands at the table here.

[z28dreams]

Should I not be re-raising this preflop if i'm not willing to felt a flop like this?

[luke4130]

You need 29.5% equity, against 99+ you need 28.6%, once you factor in a few bluffs, this is an easy call[made easier because he's playing short] imo.

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Should I not be re-raising this preflop if i'm not willing to felt a flop like this?

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I really don't like blanket statements like this, but in this case this is definitely the case.

[Lego05]

I call.


I agree with what Luke said.

[Ricky_Bobby]

Villian has to feel pretty good about TT, 88, 66, 55, 44 on this board. I would call pretty quickly. I don't really see how we can justify folding an over pair to a short stack getting over 2:1 in a reraised pot.

[Mase31683]

Really? So you guys think villain is doing this with either TT, or TPTK? This doesn't seem as easy a call to me as you're suggesting, I'd like to hear more. In my opinion, villain is most likely doing this with a set or an overpair. If he has an overpair, then unless it's TT, we're still only drawing to 2 outs. I'm trying to learn so I'd really like to hear why this could be a call.

[Lego05]

Well we need 29.5% equity (trusting Luke and not checking the math) and even against a range of 99+ hero has 28.6%.

[iheartponeez]

He does have 29% vs. 99+, but if you take out TT, then he has closer to 11%.

So the question isn't his range anymore. It's just "Would he do this with TT?" If so, then you're 30% vs. his range. If not, then you're drawing to 2 outs.

[luke4130]

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He does have 29% vs. 99+, but if you take out TT, then he has closer to 11%.

So the question isn't his range anymore. It's just "Would he do this with TT?" If so, then you're 30% vs. his range. If not, then you're drawing to 2 outs.

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I agree that my range my not be accurate [though i do think that a lot of players, particulary those playing short, shove TT here], but we can't realistically put him on a range here because we don't know anything about the opponent. I was just demonstrating that against an unknown, we're good enough to call enough of the time here against a pretty tight range.

fwiw, i think it's pretty weak folding this against an unknown, a lot of players are bluffing a lot here.

[Ricky_Bobby]

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He does have 29% vs. 99+, but if you take out TT, then he has closer to 11%.

So the question isn't his range anymore. It's just "Would he do this with TT?" If so, then you're 30% vs. his range. If not, then you're drawing to 2 outs.

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Who wouldn't shove TT in this spot? I can't really think of any other play for the villian given the size of the pot and stacks.

Villian is an unknown so we pretty much have to assume that he would play TT in this manner.