TPGK vs tag OOP

[Monster207]

Ok, jut curious to see how others would have played this hand. I'm looking for advice on all streets. I'm seriously considering folding this hand preflop because villain is a TAG at 23/8/2. (tag fish) As played though what are you're thoughts? As I've looked over the hand I feel that a C/R on the flop would be best and then a fold to a 4bet and a c/c on the turn if he calls a C/R on the flop... good bad? All thoughts welcome. Assign villain a range please. I feel like this C/R on the turn is brutal simply because I'm totally committing myself to a hand where I'm almost never likely to get called by worse.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $10.45
BB: $10
UTG: $11.05
MP: $10.05
CO: $20.25
BTN: $19.60

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.35</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, BB folds

Flop: ($1.15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $1.15</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>

Results: $8.45 Pot ($8.45 Rake)

[Phreak]

pf is fine 80%+ of the time.
c/r flop to like 3.75...if he raises ur behind
if he calls i would think its safe to assume ur behind...

def show agression on flop though

[MrWooster]

What about a 3-bet PF? KQ is an easily dominated hand and I would be much more inclined to 3-bet this in position and c-bet flop if checked to me. If he 4-bets or donks/raises the flop then you can easily fold.

[Micro Donk]

i prefer folding pre. youre OOP with a crappy hand. a 23/8 raises UTG...

[MrWooster]

Oops - thought you were BTN - I think a fold PF is better here.

[djj6835]

Fold pf and you can probably fold turn. Turn c/r is terrible. This guy isn't the type to double barrel here not to mention this isn't a good spot to double barrel anyways and hand like QJ probably aren't even in his range given pf. This is basically why you should have just folded pre.

edit: and a 23/8/2 isn't tag he's pretty loose passive. When he raises utg and bets flop multiway and continues on the turn he probably has a hand.

[djj6835]

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pf is fine 80%+ of the time.
c/r flop to like 3.75...if he raises ur behind
if he calls i would think its safe to assume ur behind...

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So why do you want to c/r the flop?

[icheckcallu]

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Ok, jut curious to see how others would have played this hand. I'm looking for advice on all streets. I'm seriously considering folding this hand preflop because villain is a TAG at 23/8/2. (tag fish) As played though what are you're thoughts? As I've looked over the hand I feel that a C/R on the flop would be best and then a fold to a 4bet and a c/c on the turn if he calls a C/R on the flop... good bad? All thoughts welcome. Assign villain a range please. I feel like this C/R on the turn is brutal simply because I'm totally committing myself to a hand where I'm almost never likely to get called by worse.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $10.45
BB: $10
UTG: $11.05
MP: $10.05
CO: $20.25
BTN: $19.60

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.35</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, BB folds

Flop: ($1.15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $1.15</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>

Results: $8.45 Pot ($8.45 Rake)

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i normally 3bet this pf but given your ine check raise flop then bet turn. fold to aggression? I havent check stat sorry LOL

[djj6835]

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i normally 3bet this pf but given your ine check raise flop then bet turn. fold to aggression? I havent check stat sorry LOL


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Do not 3b this preflop. You are probably behind his opening range and his calling range has you absolutely crushed.

[luke4130]

His UTG range will be something like: 88+,ATs+,KJs+,AJo+

Without knowing his cbet tendencies, its hard to know if he cbets air into 3 people on that board. I'd lean to weighting his range on the flop towards made hands. Probably something like 88+, AQs, AQo, KQs etc. He definitely can have AK, KJ etc here though, we can't exclude that yet.

His turn betting range is much much tighter, this is either a hand that beats you or air i think [weighted towards hands that beat you heavily.] By raising, you will reduce his range right down to hands that crush you.


As played, I like calling the flop and really hate raising the turn, you're never getting called by worse here imo. I think i'd call the flop and probably fold the turn, but folding pre is definitely the key here against this opponent.