NL50 QQ OOP gets 3bet

[Panic__NL]

villian is unknown, I am just a few hands at this table.
My donk bet on the flop is ugly, it makes villian play his hand perfect, but what is a good line here, do we play it for setvalue only without a read?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50
Hero: $49.25
CO: $35.50
Button: $44.70
SB: $51
BB: $24.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $6</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $36.75</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $28.75 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $28.75

[Fiksdal]

Well I def check/evaluate the flop

[Rednas]

I normally c/c flop and c/f turn unimproved, but this might be to weak.

[Genz]

[ QUOTE ]
I normally c/c flop and c/f turn unimproved, but this might be to weak.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can't c/c with the intention to improve on the turn because you can only draw at two outs here.
I think a CRAI is ok although you are probably way behind when you are called and therefore turning your hand into a bluff. I think I check and see what he does. If he bets smallish, I might decide to float or just call down and keep the pot small.

[ciro bonano]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I normally c/c flop and c/f turn unimproved, but this might be to weak.

[/ QUOTE ]
You can't c/c with the intention to improve on the turn because you can only draw at two outs here.

[/ QUOTE ]
That is true, but if Villain gives up on the turn UI and doesn't second barrel us, it's the best way to play it. Obviously if you KNOW that Villain will be the turn with ATC this line doesn't make sense, but you don't know that yet at the flop - his turn action gives you more information.

[ QUOTE ]
If he bets smallish, I might decide to float or just call down and keep the pot small.

[/ QUOTE ]
How can you keep the pot small? There's already $12 in the pot so with any decent bet-sizing by Villain you end up all-in by the river. If he only bets like $6 on the flop in the pot of $12, that will result in a $24 pot with $38 behind and two streets left.

[infinite_loop]

Yeah, the problem is that these pots start out growing very rapidly and you have to make your decision early. So I think these spots are so difficult vs "unknowns" because frankly you need reads to play these spots well.

[hunt1897]

Fold as played. I might have re-raised pre-flop, if not, I would have ck. raised ai.


Against unknown, this hand is as good as it gets.

IMO

[ajmargarine]

Don't be that guy who donks into the 3-bettor then folds.

[Goodnews]

too weak

[Panic__NL]

[ QUOTE ]
too weak

[/ QUOTE ]

Oh how I would love to see those 1/2 word repliers to get a firm ass whooping.