Venetian Freeroll Qualifications and Radio Contests

[Howard Burroughs]

"You guys are all nits. Seriously. It's a $500,000 [censored] FREEROLL and you're complaining because, maybe, a dozen people might get in w/o logging the hours. So the [censored] what."


I was just trying to find out IF it were true. Lee said it was not true (in another thread).

Now that we know that it IS true, I'm just wondering exactly how many they plan on putting in (people who have not logged hours).


Billy says 3. I've heard others say a lot more.

Call me a nit but I think it would be cool to know how many other promotions,etc are going to put people in without logging hours in the room.


Someone told me tonight they may let players buy their way in. Would I be a nit if I asked if that were true?


All the best,

Howard

[grdred944]

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You guys are all nits. Seriously. It's a $500,000 [censored] FREEROLL and you're complaining because, maybe, a dozen people might get in w/o logging the hours. So the [censored] what.

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I'm afraid you are the nit! I started this post because the repeated questions related to qualifiying for this freeroll were answered in a way to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy that only those of us who log hours will be in the tournament. Obviously there will be exceptions to what was initially advertised. You may not care whether 3 or 30 people will be added without having to sit in that room for 150 hours and that is fine. But, it was worth questioning why we weren't given full disclosure when the same question was asked several times.

I think it is great when someone feels this board is worth communicating through in order to better their product. But when that communication is missing key components (i.e. yes, there will be exceptions even though I led you to believe there would not) it sorta brings trust into question and if trust is an issue, I'd rather not have people solicit opinions.

But you go ahead and continue to rollover and not question someone's sincerity when they only give you half of a story. Afterall, it's a freeroll so whatever rules they want to come up with as they go along are fine by you. Right?

[LVinocur]

Again, the question posed to me inferred possible improprieties which I feel I addressed appropriately. I stated my apology for omitting the 3 radio entries, it was an oversight on my part. You gentleman have to understand that this is a very large corporation. We are not going to damage our reputation by allowing people to enter the tournament that have not qualified. We also make every effort to make as much money as possible. That being said, part of our negotiations with Lotus Broadcasting involved this mini tournament for the 3 seats in question. I was not involed in the negotiation, but as I understand it this significantly reduced our cost for the ads currently running on 920a.m. They will also broadcast live during this mini tournament in the Poker Room. All of this is in an effort to increase business, which helps out you the players as well. Anyone intested in discussing this matter further is more than welcome to meet with me today(Friday) at 7p.m. in the poker room.

[grdred944]

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Again, the question posed to me inferred possible improprieties which I feel I addressed appropriately. I stated my apology for omitting the 3 radio entries, it was an oversight on my part. You gentleman have to understand that this is a very large corporation.

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Lee:

I'm cool with your explaination. My reply was to the guy who called us nits for questioning it in the first place. I fully appreciate your position and that of the Venetian wanting to maximize marketing for your new room.

I hope you can appreciate the need to further question the issue from a player's standpoint. But, I do feel as if that issue was satisfied after I started this thread.

I'm fine with this freeroll and will try to stop by at 7:00 just to introduce myself.

[LVinocur]

Look forward to meeting you.

[PokerFink]

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Afterall, it's a freeroll so whatever rules they want to come up with as they go along are fine by you. Right?

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Pretty much. When someone gives me the opportunity to win $150,000 without putting up a dime of my own money, I'll let them chose their rules. Makes sense to me.

My appologies if ya'll took offense to the word "nit" but the tone of this thread, atleast to a third party observer (me) was that there is a lot of complaining going on. If everyone just wanted to know out of curiosity, well then that's fine. But the tone of the thread suggested that people are really ticked off about a few extra entrants into the tournament. And that seems really silly to me, since it's a freeroll.

[bav]

When you're doing a freeroll that is being funded by the casino and not by the players, you can do what you please. But it would be polite to make it clear upfront all of the possible ways folks can get into the tourney.

Hypothetically, if Venetian today decided to give away 1000 freeroll entries as part of some grand promotion, and give away 300 more entries to celebrities, the folks who've put in their 150-200 hours would have legitimate cause for complaint. You've suddenly greatly watered down the value of the hours they put in. It's not that Venetian couldn't do this, it's that it should be clear upfront before people have invested their time playing at the casino.

Now... "freerolls" that are funded by the player's money from the $1 badbeat/highhand/whatever drop should NOT get to do what they please with the tournament (Stations, Harrah's WSOP entry freerolls, whatever). The money belongs to the players, not to the casino, and it needs to be returned to the players who put in the hours, not used by the casino to fund promotions.

[Spook]

I haven't played in the Venetian room. But putting 150 or 200 hours in is not an easy task, and playing there will often times be -EV compared to other options. But that -EV is measured against the +EV of a freeroll.

Now if the casino adds Celebrity ringers into the event (Brunson, Ivey, et all) your EV in the free roll drops considerably.

The OP asked explicitly if other people were going to be given a free ride into the free roll - and was given an answer that was untruthful. This answer did change the EV of the free roll slightly, but the untruthfulness may hide greater change to the EV making

Freeroll EV + 150hr@ventian EV - 150hr@highest EV = negative.

[surfinillini]

the entire details of the freeroll are really being with-held and the venetian appears to be somewhat deceitful here...

I got into it with one of the floors right before I stopped playing there...I was asking very specific questions...not only could he not answer them for me but he couldn't tell me who to talk to

very disheartening if you ask me

[MicroBob]

Lee - that's an adequate explanation if you ask me. Although I'm not sure you have directly answered the Q of whether there will be any more players in the freeroll besides just those 3 from the freeroll who did not play the 150 or 200 hours.

I know you seem to be implying that there will not be any other players besides those 3. But I think those who are pursuing this freeroll thing deserve an absolute and direct, "No" about this.


(again, I'm not even in LV so I have no idea why I'm so interested in this. Guess I'm just bored).