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Old 11-29-2007, 02:54 PM
neurotiq neurotiq is offline
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Default Re: AKo on turn, w 1 donking in EP& 1 player all-in, and yes this is L

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I think I may have missed an important concept here. Why are there only 3 outs as opposed to 6. 3 Aces 3 Kings?

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OP said that he got the idea from SSHE. SSHE recommends that you count overcards as 1.5 outs each because somebody might have already hit two pair or a set and even if you hit your overcard, it may not put you ahead of villain.

I don't really agree with SSHE, though, and I think it depends a lot on the situation. Sometimes 1.5 outs per overcard is a good estimate, sometimes it actually is closer to 3 outs per overcard! You just have to use your reads on your opponents and assign a hand range to determine the proper number of outs.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:46 PM
HermannTL HermannTL is offline
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Default Re: AKo on turn, w 1 donking in EP& 1 player all-in, and yes this is L

Well...I think part of the idea is that an ace that falls may be counterfeited as there's a good chance that at least one of the other three villains has an ace. Isn't there something that says that a KQ overcard hand may be superior to the AK because of this?
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