River decision threebet pot

[reup]

Pf raiser is a fish 40/12 other guy is an average not very good player. Pf raiser hit the river twice when i checked the turn for pot control I paid him off both times in iffy spots. He also called an all in from a 1/2 stack with Q9 after raising otb, bb shoved $200 with AQ.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $414.30
BTN: $470.30
SB: $79.30
Hero (BB): $400
UTG: $704.20
MP: $496.60

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $14</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $14, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $58</font>, MP calls $44, BTN calls $44

Flop: ($176) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($176) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $125</font>, Hero calls $125, MP folds

River: ($426) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks or shoves?

pf raiser (fish) folds and meh guy who bet the turn is still in.

[ata]

It's doubtful you're getting call by worse if you shove

[Zimmer4141]

I'm really curious as to why we're checking this flop. I think the pot should end there, as we should bet/call this flop. As played, I think I have to check/fold the river, I would probably call a smallish bet, but fold to a large bet.

[higHstaKesOwneR]

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It's doubtful you're getting call by worse if you shove

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hm maybe b/c 1/2 ps here?
i don't know but won't we will lose alot value from worser aces here if we check?

[higHstaKesOwneR]

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I'm really curious as to why we're checking this flop. I think the pot should end there, as we should bet/call this flop. As played, I think I have to check/fold the river, I would probably call a smallish bet, but fold to a large bet.

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hm checking the flop here is ok from time to time i think...

you c/f the river unless villian bets small?
if he don't got a set what isn't that likely the only ace that beat us is AQ what i unlikly because there are already 2 Q's out there and loose donkeys like vilian will call pf with AJ and worser hands all day long

[jj12]

I think worse aces will bet probably a decent percentage of the time since our hand looks like KK. I like the c/c on the river. It gives him chance to bluff off.

[reup]

no im never folding this river... stacks.. . villain.. question is whether to shove and get called by worse aces or check/call. im leaning towards check/call since he didn't bet the flop when it was checked to him which makes it slightly less likely he has an ace.

[Big_Jim]

c/c since he probably bets any A and maybe some bluffs

Flop is fine on occasion, and rest of the hand looks good considering that check.

C/fing river here looks pretty damn bad.