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11-25-2007, 04:38 AM
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Re: Is Clinton as pushy as we think?
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[ QUOTE ] Chance that a woman is lying to you or trying to manipulate you = A Chance that a politician is lying to you or trying to manipulate you = B A+B > B [/ QUOTE ] Do we tolerate overt sexism? The exact same thing could be said about a man. [/ QUOTE ] Ok you're right, but you don't actually support Hillary, do you? 
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11-25-2007, 04:43 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am however saying that for an outsider it does seem you like your country has an enormous gender inequality problem. [/ QUOTE ] The gender inequality is a lot less in the USA than in poker. [/ QUOTE ] The number of women in politics (especially senate and congress) is very low compared to many other countries. [/ QUOTE ] Somehow, Pakistan has elected a female president, and we haven't. How is that possible? Aren't muslim countries supposed to be more sexist than western countries?
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#24
11-25-2007, 04:53 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Chance that a woman is lying to you or trying to manipulate you = A Chance that a politician is lying to you or trying to manipulate you = B A+B > B [/ QUOTE ] Do we tolerate overt sexism? The exact same thing could be said about a man. [/ QUOTE ] Ok you're right, but you don't actually support Hillary, do you? [/ QUOTE ] Of course not, but it has nothing to do with her being a her.
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11-25-2007, 08:23 AM
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Somehow, Pakistan has elected a female president, and we haven't. How is that possible? Aren't muslim countries supposed to be more sexist than western countries? [/ QUOTE ] I think it´s fair to say that Pakistan is far more sexist than the US even though they have had a female prime minister. Benazir Bhutto gained much of her popularity from being the oldest child of the popular Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, but it is certainly interresting that a muslim country actually elected a female leader. But there are some modernity in muslim countries that we dont see as clearly here in the west, a country like Iran has a high percentage of female students and also a decent science community. Im not sure how other European countries are, but in Norway there are rules that ensure a pretty even distribution of males and females in the parliament, each party has to have at least 40% women on their ballots in an election. Im not sure if thats an approach that would be popular in the US, as it limits the freedom of a party to choose their own representatives.
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#26
11-25-2007, 10:05 AM
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Aren't muslim countries supposed to be more sexist than western countries? [/ QUOTE ] Nearly all Muslim countries rank amongst the bottom of gender inequality... US is somewhere in the early 20's. IMO, people don’t hate Clinton because she is a woman, but like many others have said because she is cold, manipulative, opportunist politician.
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11-25-2007, 11:58 AM
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11-25-2007, 04:02 PM
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But women? Not so much. Nancy Pelosi, Janet Reno, Condoleezza Rice, Madeleine Albright. I cannot see myself -- we are speaking metaphorically here -- cuddling up to any of them. They all seem formidable, off-putting, cold. Which suggests the problem here is not so much them as me. And, if I may be so bold, we. As in, we seem unable to synthesize the idea that a woman can be smart, businesslike, demanding, capable, in charge and also warm. [/ QUOTE ] Only a typical liberal-guilt-ridden-male would fall for the specious reasoning of this article. So, if I don't like Hillary, it's my fault huh?? What a load of psycho-babble horse-[censored]. Sounds like the author really wants a Democrat to win and is afraid that people won't like Hillary because she's a horrible person, so might as well blame the voters....it's obviously their fault for not liking Hillary their saviour.
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#30
11-25-2007, 06:37 PM
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This has it all mixed up. The real thing IMO is that women have to be pretty off-putting and cold in order to be successful in a "man's world". [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but I think this has some truth to it. The scale on which women in politics are judged is a very fickle one. They're either too soft and girly to be electable or too much of an ice princess. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Oh, I can name you many men who, their politics aside, strike me as likable: McCain, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, even cranky old Bob Dole. [/ QUOTE ] McCain is likeable?? [/ QUOTE ] He was.. once. Give me 2000 McCain vs 2008 Obama for this next election and I'll be in heaven. [ QUOTE ] I never viewed her as being "pushy" but that's probably a good quality to have in running an administration. [/ QUOTE ] Here I'm reminded of the current administration, having Alberto Gonzalez in a hospital room, pestering a bedridden... well, nvm that. [ QUOTE ] I am however saying that for an outsider it does seem you like your country has an enormous gender inequality problem. [/ QUOTE ] Here's a Morrissey line about America: "In America, the land of the free they say, And of opportunity, in a just and a truthful way, But where the president is never black, female or gay" [ QUOTE ] Hillary Clinton is shrill...she sounds like my ex-mother-in-law, only more nagging. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I guess it's a good thing your mother-in-law can have only so many in-laws..? [ QUOTE ] For the record, my opposition to Hillary and my hatred of women are completely separate issues. [/ QUOTE ] You, sir, are a saint! [ QUOTE ] Only a typical liberal-guilt-ridden-blah-blah-blah [/ QUOTE ] It all turns to orange Rush Limbaugh/Fox News repeated wax in my ears. Seriously, if you took away the phrase "only a liberal", how would people like you ever be able to start a sentence or thought? [ QUOTE ] Somehow, Pakistan has elected a female president, and we haven't. How is that possible? Aren't muslim countries supposed to be more sexist than western countries? [/ QUOTE ] You have to realize, in those full body burkas, it's hard to tell someone's gender. Perhaps they didn't know they were voting for a woman? I'm still upset that France didn't elect that hottie during their last election.
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