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Old 11-06-2007, 11:00 PM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default 400 PL, I min-raise river.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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CO: $69.85
Hero (BTN): $410.80
SB: $244.75
BB: $160
UTG: $868.45
UTG+1: $1,149.30
UTG+2: $398
MP1: $400
MP2: $388

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $8</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls $8, SB calls $6, BB folds
<font color="blue"> UTG+1 is a massive donk, which is why I'm calling here. SB is also a massive station. Both of them are over 50% VPIP. </font>

Flop: ($28) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8</font>, UTG+1 calls $8, Hero calls $8
<font color="blue"> Obvious peel with a gutshot for so cheap. </font>

Turn: ($52) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $16</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $69</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 calls $53
<font color="blue"> Obvious raise with the nuts. </font>

River: ($198) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets $92</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $184</font>
<font color="blue"> I strongly considered shoving, but thought it would be too much for him to call with the 4-straight out there. Thoughts? If the 4-straight doesn't come I shove obviously.</font>
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:05 PM
too eazy too eazy is offline
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Default Re: 400 PL, I min-raise river.

yeah save the shove for a bluff.
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: 400 PL, I min-raise river.

I think you can squeeze a bit more than $92 out of him. Make it like $225.
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Old 11-07-2007, 12:13 AM
The Eureka Kid The Eureka Kid is offline
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Default Re: 400 PL, I min-raise river.

Shoving seems like overkill, but if hes going to call a min raise he is probably going to call maybe 1.5x the intial bet.
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Old 11-07-2007, 01:08 AM
Mr_Donktastic Mr_Donktastic is offline
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Default Re: 400 PL, I min-raise river.

I would shove in this case given your read of the player and his betting - it looks like he really likes his hand and donkeys make big dumb calls sometimes.
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:39 AM
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Default Re: 400 PL, I min-raise river.

this is a shove.......it seems like a massive donk will view any raise with teh same value......i can easily see him thinking hero has a busted draw and calling it all off with tp. He is a donk, shove here, its good for meta game, and i think the possiblde reward of doubling up, is worth more then him calling the min raise a slightly larger percentage of the time...

when its just a masssive donk, im gonna gamble and hope he pays off and shove here most all of the time....
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: 400 PL, I min-raise river.

I think shoving here has some meta-game value. If you're leaving the table soon, I say get the extra $92-$150 out of him. But if you're staying for a bit, I'd shove to see how he responds. At the very least it'll tell me if I should bluff shove the river in the future.
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Old 11-07-2007, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: 400 PL, I min-raise river.

i'd make it like 255. Im weird though.
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