can I fold my str8 bluff catcher? vs good TAG 1000NL

jj12 · #1 10-31-2007, 12:27 PM

Villain seems like a very good 25/20 TAG. He is not overagro and does stuff like c/f low flops after rring pre. I also seen him give up on his bluffs many times when the pot gets big (i.e. he bluffs quite a bit but usually for small pots).

Earlier we played the following hand. I almost folded because of my read:

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $1647.81
Hero: $1338.49
CO: $1081.09
Button: $1361.49
SB: $1301.75
BB: $435.27

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero raises to $50, CO calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($125, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $88, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($301, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $199, Hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($699, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $510, Hero calls.

He had 8d7d. He probably views me as somewhat of a station so this probably decreases his bluff frequency a lot.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $1379.45
Hero: $927.09
CO: $4231.55
Button: $1077
SB: $566
BB: $1440.8

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $35, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($85, 2 players)
Hero bets $60, CO calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($205, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $143, Hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($491, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $421, Hero calls.

My read on turn was flush draw (that's why I called). Th is a sick nasty card given my read.

Terrabon98 · #2 10-31-2007, 01:54 PM

I would not fold here...i think a call is best, though I don't think a shove is bad either

danjohncochane · #3 10-31-2007, 02:13 PM

I don't think a shove is a good at all. What do you achieve?
I would call.

dchz · #4 10-31-2007, 03:12 PM

he may think you are stationy enough to bet 2 pair for value, but a shove accomplishes nothing, call and burn him enough to make this +EV

AAismyfriend · #5 10-31-2007, 03:16 PM

Cawl, you're probably chopping more than he has a flush.

BobbyLight · #6 10-31-2007, 03:37 PM

Call. We have the King of hearts which knocks out AK hearts, KQ hearts, K9 hearts,etc..

Also do you think he would bet a hand like 56 hearts on that turn a majority of the time?

That's why I mentioned the King of hearts...I could see him semi-bluffing with ample outs if he had that card but without it knocks him down to just the nine regular flush outs.