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10-31-2007, 08:08 AM
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A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
<font color="blue"> villain is MidnightTokr, a pretty solid regular LAG. He runs 27/22/4 over a decent 1k hand sample. He seems really spewy/perma tilted at first, but i think he actually on the verge of being really good/tough. From chatting with him he has won at 2/4+ in the past, cashed much of of his roll, quit for a several months and just started playing again in the past month or so, so hes probably better than most regulars. he takes unusual/nonstandard lines more than any other reg ive run across recently.
We have quite a bit of history with 3betting light, making really light PF calls in pos, floating each other, bluffing, and making big calls etc. He probaly views me as an overaggro TAG who is on serious tilt, as hes seen me get just crushed by bad beats and sick coolers for the past week. Has also seen me make some pathetically hopeless huge bluffs. But he knows i at least have a clue and am a somewhat competent hand reader</font> Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $98 UTG: $308.20 Hero (CO): $98.50 BTN: $110.20 SB: $221.55 Pre-Flop: 8  7 dealt to Hero (CO)<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $4, 3 folds <font color="blue"> this is probably the worst street, and i fold this everytime normally in this position, but i called because, well, i really just wanted to stack this guy so i was playing anything even remotely coordinated in pos vs him. </font> Flop: ($9.50) K  8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)<font color="red">UTG bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6 <font color="blue">i think this is pretty standard given history </font> Turn: ($21.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $15</font>, Hero calls $15 <font color="blue"> villain double barrels almost as often as he c-bets and that card only improved a small part of his range (other than the fact that HERO would always raise a K/flush/boat there) so...</font> River: ($51.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $73.50 and is All-In</font> <font color="blue">hmm villain checked river... i dont think he would check a boat himself here, so i think villains range on river pretty heavily flushses/(99,TT,QQ,AA) with a spade, but what do you guys think. if he has air he's obv not calling no matter what. but keep im mind that i would usually raise flop with TP+/draws vs this guy, and if not, definitely raise the turn with trips+, so he knows i like never have a K or a flopped set or a flush. thoughts? </font> 
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#2
10-31-2007, 08:12 AM
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Re: A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
I hate the flop/turn line. Flop might ok, but he is so aggro, i doubt he just gives up often.
River doesn't make a lot of sense. He could very well check a K on the river to induce a bluff or whatever. I can't see you getting called like ever by a worse hand.
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#3
10-31-2007, 08:24 AM
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Re: A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
I dont like the shove, people hardly ever do this as a bluff, and i dont think he'll call you with any worse here.
about 40 looks a lot more like a bluff rest of the hand is fine imo
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#5
10-31-2007, 08:51 AM
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Re: A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
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River doesn't make a lot of sense. He could very well check a K on the river to induce a bluff or whatever. I can't see you getting called like ever by a worse hand. [/ QUOTE ] why would he ever check a boat on the river? wouldnt villain checking top boat there be pretty bad, because really why am i likely to bluff the river with air? what air can i have? [ QUOTE ] I dont like the shove, people hardly ever do this as a bluff, and i dont think he'll call you with any worse here. about 40 looks a lot more like a bluff [/ QUOTE ] i thought the only way i would get ANY worse hands to pay me off is too look as fishy as possible, and i felt like i was almost always ahead here.
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#6
10-31-2007, 08:56 AM
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Re: A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
i can't ever see a worse hand calling ur shove, what's with this talk of a boat, i discount that heavily here even if he does take nonstd lines, it seems like a waste with the flush out there
40ish would seem more bluffy to me imo
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#7
10-31-2007, 09:02 AM
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Re: A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
the shove is unecessary
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10-31-2007, 09:13 AM
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Re: A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
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this is only good if you balance this with complete air with serious frequency and i'm going to go ahead and guess that you fail miserably at that part [/ QUOTE ] im going to go ahead and guess you fail miserably at not being a dick, but look at my other thread to get an idea of how i might play air
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#10
10-31-2007, 09:17 AM
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Re: A river overbet shove vs a solid regular LAG
id show my hand down and make him go on monkey tilt if he has the nut flush or when he realises u just called his double barrel with almost nothing on a scary board...he has air most of the time here and so folds neway if u bet (the worst card in the deck comes on the turn yet he keeps betting which only makes sense if he has a full house with KJ or the nut flush...the KJ full house bets the river so the only legit hand left is the nut flush which will curse and check fold) so might as well tilt him right
and yes badly phrased
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