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#11
10-26-2007, 01:09 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
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[ QUOTE ] he's less likely to have AA/QQ/AK because we have an A and Q. Which makes it more likely that he's fos. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that taken care of in the enumeration by PokerStove? [/ QUOTE ] No. 'stove takes care of it when once we're all in. It can't take into account the fact that he will fold more often. btw I've seen people tkaing the 4-bet/call line with hands like 88/99 recently too. 
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#12
10-26-2007, 04:20 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
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RE H3: he c/r me of the last 4 hands. I mean he should be missing this flop a lot after limp calling. [/ QUOTE ] I guess you could call and call a non-heart turn card in that case. [ QUOTE ] RE H2: QQ/AK ???? are you kidding me I am three betting any suited connecter+ ip vs this guy he steals with like 40% of his range. [/ QUOTE ] I meant the lower part of your range for getting it in after he 4-bet
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#13
10-26-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
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First two look good to me though the river may be a call in hand one, tough to say without knowing the guy. Check the flop in hand 3. [/ QUOTE ] So at 5/10 they are so aggro pf that they get it in pf very often with 99/TT/AJ? Or do they 4-bet then fold? We are a dog against QQ/KK/AA/AK (34 combos) of which he is folding none, and we are splitting with 99/TT (12 combos - of which 0 or 6 combos have a small part of their hand range) and we are way ahead of AJ (16 combos have a very small part of their range). So in summary - I don't get it.
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#14
10-26-2007, 04:34 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 2: AQ sucks seriously for his 4-betting range. You might as well do it with 86s, which plays better when you know you are going to get called a higher percentage of the time. [/ QUOTE ] This is really really wrong. Spend some time with pokerstove and a calculator. [/ QUOTE ] It's not really, really wrong, and if this guy doesn't show up with TT/JJ here, 78s is def better.
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#15
10-26-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
just 4bet both AQ and 78s, problem solved [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#16
10-26-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] he's less likely to have AA/QQ/AK because we have an A and Q. Which makes it more likely that he's fos. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that taken care of in the enumeration by PokerStove? [/ QUOTE ] No. 'stove takes care of it when once we're all in. It can't take into account the fact that he will fold more often. btw I've seen people tkaing the 4-bet/call line with hands like 88/99 recently too. [/ QUOTE ] Either I am confused or you are confused. How does the equity percentages change depending on 'how often he folds'. The enumeration already takes care of card removal effects. I guess you are thinking about weighted ranges based on other reads, for which one can use Hold'em manager
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#17
10-26-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
linux,
When he folds we wins the pot. If he is less likely to have AA/QQ/AK then that means it's MORE likely that he's 4-bet bluffing, since some of his non-bluff combos are removed. If he's 4-bet bluffing then he will fold.
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#18
10-26-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
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[ QUOTE ] First two look good to me though the river may be a call in hand one, tough to say without knowing the guy. Check the flop in hand 3. [/ QUOTE ] So at 5/10 they are so aggro pf that they get it in pf very often with 99/TT/AJ? Or do they 4-bet then fold? [/ QUOTE ] Both.
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#19
10-26-2007, 05:30 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent. w/ a lot of history/reads 1000 NL
Hand 1 I probably just fold the turn, this guy seems to go for thin value (like, stupidly thin value) and I doubt he's bluffing that small. I'd chuck the river for sure.
Hand 2 seems standard vs. an overaggro bad player. Hand 3 I prefer a 3-bet to 300, more believeable. I like the 3bet though. As for hand 2 this guy will for sure show up with JJ, v. v. likely TT and there's probably a bunch of air that he's raise-folding.
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#20
10-26-2007, 05:56 PM
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Re: 3 hands vs the same opponent.
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linux, When he folds we wins the pot. If he is less likely to have AA/QQ/AK then that means it's MORE likely that he's 4-bet bluffing, since some of his non-bluff combos are removed. If he's 4-bet bluffing then he will fold. [/ QUOTE ] Ha, that makes sense. I see what you are saying. You are talking about the total EV of 5-betting with AQ vs 86s. Since, he folds more often when we have AQ, we have a slight EV edge, even though 86s fares (slightly) better against a typical tight calling range.
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