AA: I flat his 3-bet OOP...flop kinda sucks.

[markuisis]

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looks fine, what's the question?

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Sizing I guess...and do you call a shove?

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fine. and obv call shove - folding AA in 3bet pots for 115bb is teh suck.

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these useless blanket statements r really misleading, look at this flop texture and realize that all u beat is a bluff so bet/fold river IMO, id prob have bet a bit more on turn (with bet/fold mentality) as worse pps r calling down IMO. If u think villain is bluffing with ak (which is the only hand u beat which miiiiight shove here) then call but id never call here without strong reads expecting villain to be making a very unorthodox bluff.

[loosbastard]

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On the other hand without getting any information throughout the hand i cant know you do not have a queen which is what your betting represented, making it impossible to bluff unless its completely pulled out of my ass

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That's kind of what I was thinking. I would also be getting sick odds if you shoved...which makes a bluff here unlikely w/o any history.

[thac]

How is KK not shoving here? If we rep only a queen by betting turn and river, we should be betting a lot more.

[Novles]

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looks fine, what's the question?

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Sizing I guess...and do you call a shove?

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fine. and obv call shove - folding AA in 3bet pots for 115bb is teh suck.

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This mentality is stupid and costly and way to rampant on this site in general.

Against the average opponent I like your line (maybe a little bigger bets) and I'm calling shoves on the river vs most opponents but certainly not all.

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fair enough. but if you don't know what to do here and don't have a read to give you a reason to fold, folding AA in 3bet pots is baaaaad.

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which hand calls that KK beats

[loosbastard]

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How is KK not shoving here? If we rep only a queen by betting turn and river, we should be betting a lot more.

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If KK is happy to get it in...wouldn't he have bet flop? My line looks like Qx or air, so I'm not sure why he'd be shoving for value w/ our limited history.

[thac]

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How is KK not shoving here? If we rep only a queen by betting turn and river, we should be betting a lot more.

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If KK is happy to get it in...wouldn't he have bet flop? My line looks like Qx or air, so I'm not sure why he'd be shoving for value w/ our limited history.

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So what are you value betting against? Seems like any pair would bet the flop right? He can definitely check KK on this flop and I don't see why it's such an auto-bet.

[markuisis]

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How is KK not shoving here? If we rep only a queen by betting turn and river, we should be betting a lot more.

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nice value bet there with kings getting called by nothing that beats us. it doesnt matter if we r ahead of a river betting range, only that we r ahead of his shove calling range, and also calling a shove hoping he has kk is combinatorically illogical.

[loosbastard]

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He can definitely check KK on this flop and I don't see why it's such an auto-bet.

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Yeah he definitely CAN check KK here. What I meant was I think that if he's happy getting it in...he's bet/calling or raising turn or doing something. If he's checking flop it's usually w/ intention of inducing, so I'm not sure why he'd all of a sudden shove river after I lead into him twice on this board. W/ history maybe...

[thac]

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How is KK not shoving here? If we rep only a queen by betting turn and river, we should be betting a lot more.

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nice value bet there with kings getting called by nothing that beats us. it doesnt matter if we r ahead of a river betting range, only that we r ahead of his shove calling range, and also calling a shove hoping he has kk is combinatorically illogical.

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So you bet/fold JJ here? Just asking.