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Old 10-20-2007, 09:35 PM
Diana Ross Fan Diana Ross Fan is offline
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Default Re: What defines an angleshoot?

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5) Softplaying friends


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Not illegal. Not angle

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It is a form of collusion, albeit one that is usually tolerated.
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: What defines an angleshoot?

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Here are some specific examples of angleshoots that I have personally observed:

1) hiding high value chips in the bottom back row of your stack so opponents get inaccurate chip counts for you.

2) leaning back in your chair to see the hole cards of others. (this was recently done online)

3) declaring your hand incorrectly at showdown to entice your opponent to muck a winning hand

4) Mucking a hand into an opponents hand to kill it and consequently award the pot to a friend

5) Softplaying friends

Different people will have different ethics, so there will always be some debate over what exactly constitutes an angle shoot.

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This 5th one happens a lot at my casino unforunately. I always try to convince the floormen to make it some sort of rule to disallow softplaying. I know it doesnt cheat us players (technically) if no one else is in the pot, but it does cheat the casino out of rake. Any reason that i can use to make it a rule is a good enough reason for me. I don't softplay anyone and I expect the same of others.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: What defines an angleshoot?

Player A bets, Player B calls, Player C (B's friend) raises knowing that A will likely fold and knowing B will check it to the river if he does call. The agreement to softplay makes it a lot easier for C to raise in this situation even if B and C made no other prior agreements to collude.

Agreeing to softplay friends gives a group of friends an advantage over others at the table. This is why I call it an angle shoot.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: What defines an angleshoot?

You just defined "collusion". You use the word 'angle shoot' as a synonym?
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Old 10-21-2007, 04:02 AM
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Default Re: What defines an angleshoot?

I think softplaying is collusion, others think it is just something people do to avoid taking money from friends.

Others have said softplaying isn't against the rules, under that assumption you can call it angle shooting.
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