Poorly played AKo?

[milesdyson]

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4.5 combos we lose to (3 TT, 1 AJ, .5 55)

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why are you discounting 55 by almost 85%?

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and 10 combos we are beating (6 AT, 3 A5, 1 AQ/other random hands)

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you need to discount Ax when he bets the river. his kicker no longer plays and hero obviously has an ace.

[milesdyson]

i bet/call the river here. my range for villain before river action:
AT undiscounted (6)
A5 discounted by half based on preflop (3)
TT undiscounted (3)
55 undiscounted (3)

so ahead of 9 and behind 6. against this range we should bet. when he bets the river i further discount AT and A5 because even many tards nowadays realize when their hands get counterfeited. if you check the river you should just call.

[milesdyson]

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river raise does nothing for you here. if there was value in the raise then you should have done it on the turn.

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i don't know if you misread the board but hero now beats AT and A5. however i also believe hero should not checkraise here simply because villain will check behind these hands some % of the time against the obvious strong ace.

[Smurph64]

KQ Spades in the mix here ever?

[Buzz-cp]

That is but one combo.

[Smurph64]

yeah but I was referring to Miles ranges. He didn't mention it, just wondered if and why it didn't play.

[BigBadBabar]

i find a river cap to be pretty bad actually

[milesdyson]

yeah that would be amazingly optimistic

[Landonfan]

Meh on the river c/r. Any sane (and a good deal of retarded) villains are checking behind AT/A5, so you make no bets when has a conterfieted two pair, but lose two when he has a boat. Just b/c.

[Bulletproof Monk]

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river raise does nothing for you here. if there was value in the raise then you should have done it on the turn.

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i don't know if you misread the board but hero now beats AT and A5. however i also believe hero should not checkraise here simply because villain will check behind these hands some % of the time against the obvious strong ace.

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yeah, like i said earlier this is essentially the key point of the hand which defines the ratio of c/r to b/c...

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if we think he is likely to check behind AT and A5 then sure a donk is fine, but if he is betting any Ax then we pretty much have to c/r

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in my experience at this level i think most ppl are betting AT/A5 on the river because 'they has an ace and there is an ace on the board', but i probably have memory bias....

you are probably rite and i like a b/c if we can assume that point about our vil