3/6 gut says to crai turn

[MatthewRyan]

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I think calling is way better than shoving.

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sure, can u back that up? indlucing river senarios?

[KingGordy]

reup,

1A: Call
1B: No easy answer here, read based. As a default I'd probably fold.
1C: Don't really like leading, I think he should be able to fold most of his J's, and we take his bluff away. If he's the type to pay off a little light though I guess somehing like $225 fold to a push is okay.

Situation 2 depends so much on villain's tendencies. If he's bluffy c/c, if he's loose passive then a smallish ($150) b/f, against a rare type of suspicious TAG who I have an aggro dynamic with I might overbet shove trying to sell a bluff.

[reup]

coo thanks G.

[berserk]

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reup,

1A: Call
1B: No easy answer here, read based. As a default I'd probably fold.
1C: Don't really like leading, I think he should be able to fold most of his J's, and we take his bluff away. If he's the type to pay off a little light though I guess somehing like $225 fold to a push is okay.

Situation 2 depends so much on villain's tendencies. If he's bluffy c/c, if he's loose passive then a smallish ($150) b/f, against a rare type of suspicious TAG who I have an aggro dynamic with I might overbet shove trying to sell a bluff.

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yo he has <pot left, not folding ever if you call turn pretty much

[KingGordy]

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reup,

1A: Call
1B: No easy answer here, read based. As a default I'd probably fold.
1C: Don't really like leading, I think he should be able to fold most of his J's, and we take his bluff away. If he's the type to pay off a little light though I guess somehing like $225 fold to a push is okay.

Situation 2 depends so much on villain's tendencies. If he's bluffy c/c, if he's loose passive then a smallish ($150) b/f, against a rare type of suspicious TAG who I have an aggro dynamic with I might overbet shove trying to sell a bluff.

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yo he has <pot left, not folding ever if you call turn pretty much

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oh whoops, yeah the stuff I posted above was under the impression of deeper stacks.

[DJ Sensei]

maybe you should weaklead turn and shove over a raise instead

or, c/c and c/c river

crai here probably polarizes his range in a manner you don't want

[aislephive]

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I think calling is way better than shoving.

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sure, can u back that up? indlucing river senarios?

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What hands is shoving the turn optimal against?

[AAismyfriend]

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maybe you should weaklead turn and shove over a raise instead

or, c/c and c/c river

crai here probably polarizes his range in a manner you don't want

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Yea I agree with this......if these the type who would turn a weak made hand into a bluff right here I like the weak lead.

[yenman]

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Hey Gordy mind if I pick your brain?

Say the river blanks (2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) we have check/called the turn and the river pot is now $105*2+$165=$375. Villain has $511-($105+$48+$21)=$336, and we cover.

The board is T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]... we have Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

1A. We check and villain bets $200
1B. We check and villain shoves
1C. Do we make any type of lead here?

The board is T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]...

2A. Do we lead and for how much (villian has ~psb left)
2B. Say we bet 1/3pot like $111 and villain shoves.. autofold yes?

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I like your analysis here. this why push makes sense here. you are only gonna have much more than the pot left after a smooth call here. if you feel you have the best of it, this is a easy push. looks like a JK type of hand protecting.

your check looks weak, makingit lesslikely he made a flush. you also have the Q of clubs. doubt he is on a big draw since you also have a Q.

I think it is played well. I sometimes would lead turn, but CR is even better.

[yoshi86]

I would think most standard TAG's range here is mostly only PP's since he CC'd PF. I really dont see how a 21/18 could have KJ of some kind of wacky 2pair.

call > CRAI IMO.