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#21
08-06-2007, 06:13 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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[ QUOTE ] 4-handed NL $0.25/$0.50. Hero is the button and raises to $2 with ... something. SB folds and BB calls. In the couple orbits since you sat down BB seems to be playing lots of hands and so far he hasn't raised preflop. Pot is $4.25. Flop is J88r. BB checks and Hero bets $2.50. Villain raises to $35 all-in and you have this covered. There is $41.75 in the pot and it will cost you $32.50 to call. What is your thought process when you see this? What do you need to call with? [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] Nothing like trying to learn a new form of poker and getting wildly different advice from experienced players. Color me confused. 
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#22
08-06-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-handed NL $0.25/$0.50. Hero is the button and raises to $2 with ... something. SB folds and BB calls. In the couple orbits since you sat down BB seems to be playing lots of hands and so far he hasn't raised preflop. Pot is $4.25. Flop is J88r. BB checks and Hero bets $2.50. Villain raises to $35 all-in and you have this covered. There is $41.75 in the pot and it will cost you $32.50 to call. What is your thought process when you see this? What do you need to call with? [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] Nothing like trying to learn a new form of poker and getting wildly different advice from experienced players. Color me confused. [/ QUOTE ] i'm right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#23
08-06-2007, 06:38 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] I bow down before your brilliance [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]. After I folded my AQ Villain showed KJ.
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#24
08-06-2007, 06:56 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-handed NL $0.25/$0.50. Hero is the button and raises to $2 with ... something. SB folds and BB calls. In the couple orbits since you sat down BB seems to be playing lots of hands and so far he hasn't raised preflop. Pot is $4.25. Flop is J88r. BB checks and Hero bets $2.50. Villain raises to $35 all-in and you have this covered. There is $41.75 in the pot and it will cost you $32.50 to call. What is your thought process when you see this? What do you need to call with? [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] Nothing like trying to learn a new form of poker and getting wildly different advice from experienced players. Color me confused. [/ QUOTE ] i'm right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] i normally agree with you, but if this is the type of guy who never raises preflop, he plays overpairs the same way.
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#25
08-06-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-handed NL $0.25/$0.50. Hero is the button and raises to $2 with ... something. SB folds and BB calls. In the couple orbits since you sat down BB seems to be playing lots of hands and so far he hasn't raised preflop. Pot is $4.25. Flop is J88r. BB checks and Hero bets $2.50. Villain raises to $35 all-in and you have this covered. There is $41.75 in the pot and it will cost you $32.50 to call. What is your thought process when you see this? What do you need to call with? [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] Nothing like trying to learn a new form of poker and getting wildly different advice from experienced players. Color me confused. [/ QUOTE ] i'm right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] i normally agree with you, but if this is the type of guy who never raises preflop, he plays overpairs the same way. [/ QUOTE ] you don't have to always win. you just have to win enough to make calling profitable
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#26
08-06-2007, 07:05 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
At these limits, I would call with any hand that beats AJ
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#27
08-06-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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[ QUOTE ] in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] I bow down before your brilliance [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]. After I folded my AQ Villain showed KJ. [/ QUOTE ] So villain allowed you to play the hand perfectly. Kind of surprising to see a villain that will not raise pre-flop stack off with TPNK. Very strange combination. Hope you made a note.
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#28
08-06-2007, 07:23 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-handed NL $0.25/$0.50. Hero is the button and raises to $2 with ... something. SB folds and BB calls. In the couple orbits since you sat down BB seems to be playing lots of hands and so far he hasn't raised preflop. Pot is $4.25. Flop is J88r. BB checks and Hero bets $2.50. Villain raises to $35 all-in and you have this covered. There is $41.75 in the pot and it will cost you $32.50 to call. What is your thought process when you see this? What do you need to call with? [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] Nothing like trying to learn a new form of poker and getting wildly different advice from experienced players. Color me confused. [/ QUOTE ] i'm right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] i normally agree with you, but if this is the type of guy who never raises preflop, he plays overpairs the same way. [/ QUOTE ] you don't have to always win. you just have to win enough to make calling profitable [/ QUOTE ] --- 1,273,140 games 0.016 secs 79,571,250 games/sec Board: Js 8h 8d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 40.411% 34.52% 05.89% 439462 75022.00 { KJs, KJo } Hand 1: 59.589% 53.70% 05.89% 683634 75022.00 { 77+, AJs, A8s, KJs, K8s, QJs, Q8s, J8s+, T8s, 98s, 85s+, AJo, A8o, KJo, QJo, J9o+, 98o, 87o } --- range look ok? edit: QQ+ becomes a snapcall with this range though so if its this wide i was off on that
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#29
08-06-2007, 07:27 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 4-handed NL $0.25/$0.50. Hero is the button and raises to $2 with ... something. SB folds and BB calls. In the couple orbits since you sat down BB seems to be playing lots of hands and so far he hasn't raised preflop. Pot is $4.25. Flop is J88r. BB checks and Hero bets $2.50. Villain raises to $35 all-in and you have this covered. There is $41.75 in the pot and it will cost you $32.50 to call. What is your thought process when you see this? What do you need to call with? [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, ridiculous overbets from bad players are nearly always some mediocre one pair. it makes no sense at all, but that's just how it is. so here maybe J9 or 77. sometimes he will have an 8, but snap call with KJ+ [/ QUOTE ] Nothing like trying to learn a new form of poker and getting wildly different advice from experienced players. Color me confused. [/ QUOTE ] i'm right [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] i normally agree with you, but if this is the type of guy who never raises preflop, he plays overpairs the same way. [/ QUOTE ] you don't have to always win. you just have to win enough to make calling profitable [/ QUOTE ] --- 1,273,140 games 0.016 secs 79,571,250 games/sec Board: Js 8h 8d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 40.411% 34.52% 05.89% 439462 75022.00 { KJs, KJo } Hand 1: 59.589% 53.70% 05.89% 683634 75022.00 { 77+, AJs, A8s, KJs, K8s, QJs, Q8s, J8s+, T8s, 98s, 85s+, AJo, A8o, KJo, QJo, J9o+, 98o, 87o } --- range look ok? edit: QQ+ becomes a snapcall with this range though so if its this wide i was off on that [/ QUOTE ] his range is too weird to stove. i'll paste mine below but it's no less arbitrary than yours. i'm telling you based on my lots of nl experience that this is a snap call/fist pump with KJ Board: Js 8h 8d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 49.090% 44.21% 04.88% 602694 66511.50 { QQ+, TT-99, 77-22, AJs, KJs, QJs, J7s+, T8s, 98s, 85s+, AJo, KJo, QJo, J7o+, T8o, 98o, 85o+ } Hand 1: 50.910% 46.03% 04.88% 627513 66511.50 { KJo }
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#30
08-06-2007, 07:34 PM
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Re: Basic Flop Problem
ok quotes are getting to long. i was never a limit playe fwiw, but at uNL and SSNL i always got burned on these calls against these weirdos. agree about not really being able to give him an accurate range tho. its also possible im just not remembering the times i stacked some drooler w/ TPGK.
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