At what point do you not call from the BB pre-flop?

[pig4bill]

At the tables I play, any raised pot pre-flop will usually have a good 8 to 10 small bets in it before it comes around to me in the BB. Are there any two cards I wouldn't call one small bet with if I'm reasonably sure it won't be raised again after I call?

[goofball]

pig4bill-

Getting 8 or 10 to 1 I would play any hand. I might even play a 9 or better if that was my only card

[The Dude]

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I might even play a 9 or better if that was my only card

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I hate the hands I only get dealt one card, I ususally just fold, even if it's a K or even A. Is this a mistake?

[Justin A]

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pig4bill-

Getting 8 or 10 to 1 I would play any hand. I might even play a 9 or better if that was my only card

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I'm reasonably certain this is bad.

[goofball]

Dude and Justin,

With just one card you can always just play the board for your kicker. I'm not sure but I think that's a pretty good strategy. Don't forget the metagame effect when you own someone with only half the cards.

[Noo Yawk]

Ray Zee had a great post several years back where he went completely against the grain and defended playing Q5o to a multiway raise in the big Blind. I don't have time to find it right now, but the gist was this:

1) Getting 10-1 how much the worst of it can you really have?

2) When you refuse to gamble in spots like this, even the bad players notice and refuse to pay you off as much as they do others. they will still give you a bet here and there when dominated, but they certainly won't just pay off with the more marginal stuff others seem to make from them. The best players know how to become one of the guys, and in turn get paid off. He went on to say that's why he and others like him walk away from great games with a ton of chips, and others simply had marginal scores.

[Yads]

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Getting 8 or 10 to 1 I would play any hand. I might even play a 9 or better if that was my only card

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This is bad, your money odds are better, but your winning odds are now worse due to all of the extra hands in play. Also don't forget that you'll be out of position. You should definitely open up, but not to the point where you're playing any 2.

[pig4bill]

Then my original question remains - at what point would you fold? 10-2? 8-4o? 5-2o?

[SoManyMonkeys]

10-2 has to be below rock bottom. What do you do with a 10-9-4 flop? Waste a few chips before you muck, is what you do. There is no good way to play this hand out of position post flop, unless you flop a monster. This forum needs someone to say it-save some chips for later!

[pig4bill]

Right, you check-muck that flop. The point to calling one small bet pre-flop is the hope of a monster flop, not a mediocre one.